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RAF
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Check this if you eat venision
« Thread Started on Jan 7, 2009, 10:25pm »
http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/fish_wildlife/lead/index.htm
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Re: Check this if you eat venision
« Reply #1 on Jan 8, 2009, 6:18am »
That was a very interesting analysis.

So...who's switching to Barnes?
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Re: Check this if you eat venision
« Reply #2 on Jan 8, 2009, 9:21am »
I saw this last year. this is absolutely ridiculous. Bullets do not "explode inside a deer". This is the same asinine logic that the Gummint used to make lead shot illegal for ducks. They were afraid one duck out of elebben gazillion might dive down and eat a lead pellet off the bottom of a lake.

I have recovered a ton of bullets from deer, none exploded and got in the bloodstream. They keep about 80-95% of their weight, or I don't use them.

This is just one more attempt by the Peta-type Goobers to scare the world into being against hunting. It was discouraging to see a Vet agreeing with such silliness.
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Re: Check this if you eat venision
« Reply #3 on Jan 8, 2009, 10:17am »
I watched it and didn't get the impression it was put on by some PETA group. Seemed informative to me. They certainly, IMO, didn't say stop hunting or eathing venision. Seems they said that the best choice for a bullet was all lead slug or all copper bullet. I suppose a lead conical out of an in line would be like a slug. I don't want to be arguementative but if you're using a bullet that retain 80 - 95% of it's weight, where is the other 5 - 20%? I just figured this post might be of interest
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Re: Check this if you eat venision
« Reply #4 on Jan 8, 2009, 1:21pm »
It seems that if there are lead bits in the meat you usually know it, and as far as getting in the blood stream, there doesn't seem to be enough time, hopefully it is DRT and there is no time, IMO.
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Re: Check this if you eat venision
« Reply #5 on Jan 8, 2009, 4:08pm »
I don't think there was any mention of particle moving in the blood stream since the test carcasses were dead sheep. I understood it to mean those small particles got there after the impact and bullets fragmenting and some of those pieces weren't visably apparent and only seen on xray.
HMMM. I wonder what it would cost to have a c scan of my next deer carcass
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Re: Check this if you eat venision
« Reply #6 on Jan 8, 2009, 5:10pm »
The buck I shot this year went with a friend back to Michigan. When he butchered it he found a jacket shard in a rear ham. I hit this buck very high, behind the shoulder and drove the bullet forward. Shattered the spine. This "fleck" of copper jacket went 2 feet or more in the opposite direction of the bullet path. It was a 300 XTP impacting around 2300 fps.

I absolutely believe that bullets such as shockwaves, SST's XTP's "explode". I am not sure that I believe that we are in danger from poisoning. However, biting down on a small peice of metal would likely break a tooth or cut your mouth.

The video was using a .308 and a "slow" ML. The pistol bullets we use driven to the .308 velocities that we shoot become extrememly UNGLUED in a deer, especially at close range. Not saying bad or good...just stating a fact from observations...lot's of them.

I guess I have never smashed both hips with any gun on a deer. If I did, I know that I would throw them both out. Have discarded many front shoulders. I do not like wound-wourst.
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Re: Check this if you eat venision
« Reply #7 on Jan 9, 2009, 1:07pm »
I would be more concerned with lead shot in small game and game birds, if I were inclined to be concerned.

I have found bits and pieces of bullet jackets far from the entry. This has happened in deer killed by a 25-06, 100 grain slugs at probably in excess of 3k fps at impact. It appears to me that the bullet experienced spectacular core jacket separation and the jacket 'runs' under the hide. Last cup and core kill with the 25-06 was a buck that was walking directly at me. I held low in the brisket. The bullet opened the heart from stem to stern. Under the hide at one read quarter I found some jacket material. It had not passed through the deer to get there.

A lead study was done on people as a follow up the the Mn study. Lead levels were NOT higher in people that ate venison compared to none venison eaters. I belive Minnesota, Wisconsin, North Dakota, and Michigan were involved in the follow up.

I shoot Barnes bullets in the 25 now. Not for fear of lead, just because they will hold together and my rifle will shoot them accurately.
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Re: Check this if you eat venision
« Reply #8 on Jan 9, 2009, 11:20pm »
I don't know about the rest of you guys but I can always use more lead in my pencil....or at least that's what the wife says.....can't wait for a rifle season to open in Indiana....that'll put more lead in my pencil....
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