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Post by sagittarius on Oct 21, 2008 11:00:32 GMT -5
How many guys on here have a custom smokeless Muzzleloader ? Or, how many of you guys have though about having one built or, in some cases, building one for yourself ? I have been thinking of starting a kitty to have one built with a custom action, barrel, and stock. While I like my Savage MLII just fine, I would like to have one built with locking lugs for smoothness and strength with a nice laminated fully bedded thumbhole stock and a 28 to 30" barrel with muzzle-brake. It would probably run from $3,500.00 to $4,000.00 but "you only live once and you're a long time dead".  What features and options would you guys choose if you were having a custom muzzleloader built for you ? What brand action, barrel, and components would you choose ? What caliber ? |
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Post by esmd on Oct 21, 2008 11:11:41 GMT -5
If I was going to get/build one, I'd get a Rem 700MLS for just the action, scrap the barrel, and stock, and build one like smokeeter's. I'd put a nice laminate stock on it, maybe thumbhole, I dunno.
Would love to do it, but the budget just doesn't allow it right now, and the Savage is working just fine.
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Post by PPosey on Oct 21, 2008 11:12:32 GMT -5
Well locking lugs are unnessisary with a breech plug,,,,, and muzzle brakes have a bad track record with sabots I believe so you would have to go sabotless
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Post by sagittarius on Oct 21, 2008 11:24:47 GMT -5
Well locking lugs are unnessisary with a breech plug,,,,, and muzzle brakes have a bad track record with sabots I believe so you would have to go sabotless I agree, locking lugs aren't necessary but they're very much smoother than the rough caming action of most muzzleloaders found today. I would prefer them for the smoothness to the point of not minding filling out the federal forms to get one. I will say my old Rem 700 ML is the smoothest of any cam action. |
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Post by PPosey on Oct 21, 2008 11:35:23 GMT -5
For what you are after I would go with a single shot action,,, Ruger #1 comes to mind. I never can get over the Remmy safety and trigger.
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Post by edge on Oct 21, 2008 12:09:53 GMT -5
Mine is built on a Savage action. I like the Accutrigger for safety so it was a logical platform for me. While locking lugs are not needed, if you are shooting high velocity it is nice to know that they are there  I want to try the new Marlin Accutrugger. I understand that the barrel threads are the same as the Savage's and I have a spare barrel already threaded. The Marlin is very, very cheap! I like using 45 ACP cases to prime instead of the 209. They are much easier to handle in cold weather. edge. |
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Post by DW on Oct 21, 2008 18:07:11 GMT -5
I have a Ruger #1 with a .457 1:20 Shilen barrel. Drawbacks to the #1 are priming and depriming and they have a reputation for being load picky. Triggers can be downright awful but there are aftermarkets available. Bad Bull makes some nice customs in the $3-4000 range with all the power "most" could want. I don't care for their priming and depriming methods and tools involved though. The one on my wishlist would probably come from Swinglock. www.swinglock.net/index.htmI like the way he incorporates the ramrod, shoots higher pressure loads than the Bad Bull and he is not opposed to duplex. I would like to know more about his priming and depriming. RB's Savage conversions are accurate and possibly the most user freindly. The easiest route if you want a Rem 700 would probably be to wait until Dave D gets a new itch and decides to sell one of his 700's. ;D ;D |
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Post by bigmoose on Oct 21, 2008 18:42:37 GMT -5
My rifle was designed and built by Rick Bibby, the reciever is Savage, Pac-nor barrel, custom Stock, this rifle is every thing, you could as for. It shoots as good as the shooter. I'm a broken down old soon to be 75, and I get to crank out some one hole groups, moa groups are to be expected. A younger better marksman could inprove, no doubt.
Its 45 caliber, I shoot it sabotless....Oh, and by the way, it makes one shoot kills on Yukon Moose.
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Post by lc on Oct 21, 2008 22:02:21 GMT -5
Just purchased a used model 1885 Browning 45-70 single shot falling block with 28" octagon barrel.Going to use Edge's brass module technology and transform it into a smokeless M/L. Also seriously considering ordering pacnor 40 cal this winter to put on one of my 50 cal savages.Also waiting for an update on how Rick Bibby is comming along with a 9.3mm bore /.358 bullet M/L because it would be big game legal in Saskatchewan .
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Post by savagebrother on Oct 21, 2008 22:42:55 GMT -5
mine is a ruger no. 1 but its an early one with 3 screw trigger-(very adjustable and its very crisp), mine has a douglas 1:28 28 inch .45 calibre barrel on it. its very accurate and i really using it. sb  |
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Post by sagittarius on Oct 22, 2008 7:07:30 GMT -5
I had recently found the Bad Bull customs on a search and their speed, accuracy, and power seems very impressive. Their primer system is odd but should be ok if you pay close attention. The Swinglock looks interesting; never heard of them. Too bad, most of the pics on the action don't work at the site.  Looks like a custom won't come cheap but it beats a David Miller center-fire by a long shot. |
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Post by dougedwards on Oct 22, 2008 10:32:49 GMT -5
I had recently found the Bad Bull customs on a search and their speed, accuracy, and power seems very impressive. Their primer system is odd but should be ok if you pay close attention. The Swinglock looks interesting; never heard of them. Too bad, most of the pics on the action don't work at the site. Looks like a custom won't come cheap but it beats a David Miller center-fire by a long shot. I posted these pictures sent to me by Tom Post of Swinglock on Modern Inline section of this board. Thought that the subject matter called for posting them again here. Swinglock as opposed to Bad Bull offers the purchaser many options including barrel manufacturer, length, rifling, contour, fluting, caliber and also many options concerning the stock style and manufacturer. There is no option for the action and trigger mechanism as this is a patented Swinglock operation. Notice the pictures below of the stock type that I have chosen although I have chosen another color. This particular stock style is called the Thumbover because it allows you to lay your thumb over the top of the stock instead of through a hole in the stock.    Also notice the cool way the ramrod is intalled into the forearm.  There are claims of 400 yard accuracy of much less than MOA from some of the owners of these rifles which is astounding. Most of the rifles are 40 or 45 caliber I believe but I have opted for the uncharted waters of .375.....the negative is the long waiting list. After you order be prepared to wait for at least one year for one of these cool looking custom muzzleloaders. I still have about 4 months to go. Doug |
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Post by DW on Oct 22, 2008 14:20:32 GMT -5
Glad you posted pics of the thumbover Doug, I'm not wild about thumbholes and I did not know he offered that design. Thanks for the info. Any info concerning the priming of the gun?
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Post by dave d. on Oct 22, 2008 17:45:11 GMT -5
:)sag,my 700's are highly modifed and still would come in much less then your $3500 number scoped.my gun's i put together were $2150 and $2550 now take $685 off for the scope,bases and rings i have on the gun and you could figure the rest.the only problem with building a gun like mine is getting someone to build the plug but luck would have it pete at pa machine will be making them soon so things are getting easier.anyone interested in building one of these 700's just contact me and i will help you threw it.another thing i'll mention that a have alot of money in the stock, bolt and paint so there are areas to build one for much cheaper then i did.the gun i built for my buddy ran him around $1250 with a h&s stock.goodluck sag whatever you build.
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Post by RBinAR on Oct 22, 2008 20:05:53 GMT -5
 These two are an Encore I made with a 45 caliber barrel that has my own version of a breech plug and a 10ML converted to 45 caliber with a 25" barrel.  This one is a 10ML in 45 caliber with skeleton stock third pillar and quick bolt release.  This one is a lightened 10ML designed exclusively for shooting 290 grain all copper bullets sabot-less. It has an internal ramrod nut and box spring plunger so the ramrod never touches the barrel. |
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Post by bigmoose on Oct 22, 2008 20:45:47 GMT -5
That last rifle look familiar.
Looks just like my RB SPECIAL.
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Post by SW on Oct 23, 2008 7:22:18 GMT -5
These two are an Encore I made with a 45 caliber barrel that has my own version of a breech plug and a 10ML converted to 45 caliber with a 25" barrel. This one is a 10ML in 45 caliber with skeleton stock third pillar and quick bolt release. The converted ML-2 and the skeleton stock'd 45 (448 and 450) both shoot well sub-MOA with saboted 40 cal bullets and 275BEs respectivily. The 275BE shooter may well be the best of all: .5 MOA sabotless but the 40, with Tupperware stock and recoil reducers/Simms recoil pad, shoots as accurately with virtually no recoil. These 2 pictured rifles and the 40 cal are 300 yd+ MLers. I'm overly pleased with RB's guns. |
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Post by bigmoose on Oct 23, 2008 7:28:38 GMT -5
Steve,
May I join that" pleased with RB: work club
Although I'm more than just pleased.
Marty
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Post by dougedwards on Oct 23, 2008 8:23:56 GMT -5
Glad you posted pics of the thumbover Doug, I'm not wild about thumbholes and I did not know he offered that design. Thanks for the info. Any info concerning the priming of the gun? Hey DW......the Swinglock works with the 209 primers of course and here is a detailed explaination of how it works mechanically within the Swinglock system from Tom Post. To prime a Swing-Lock you simply rotate the action to open. When the action is open, the primer adaptor port is exposed and within easy reach of your fingers or the tubular priming magazine priming tool. All you do is insert a 209 shotgun primer into the recess ( priming port ) of the primer adaptor and close the action. When the action is closed, there is considerable mechanical advantage force applied to the primer face which serves to compress the nose of the primer against a flat face in the bottom of the priming port recess. Compression of the primer forces the primer to make a very good seal against the nose of the primer. Because the primer is an easy slip fit into the primer port and is supported along almost the full length of its body, when the primer is pressurized upon firing, it acts in the same manner as a cartridge case. Its expansion is fully supported by the side walls of the priming port. After the firing cycle is complete, the primer body springs back slightly and can then be easily removed with the fingers or with the opposite end of the primer tube magazine ( priming tool )....when testing, I don't even use one. Priming is really very easy. In fact I think easier than the Savage and other in-lines. It is especially easier than the Mad Bull which requires a special priming tool. |
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Post by sagittarius on Oct 23, 2008 11:29:34 GMT -5
What's the price range of the Swinglock ?
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Post by dougedwards on Oct 23, 2008 12:28:06 GMT -5
What's the price range of the Swinglock ? I think the price can range from $1500-2500 depending on your option choices. Since this is the first and probably only custom rifle I will own I went with the high end options. Now just to get my hands on it. |
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Post by SW on Oct 23, 2008 13:49:23 GMT -5
Steve, May I join that" pleased with RB: work club Although I'm more than just pleased. Marty Marty, I'm in the "overly pleased" catagory. |
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Post by DW on Oct 23, 2008 14:20:06 GMT -5
Thanks Doug, sounds better and better all the time. Can't wait til you get a hold of yours either so you can give us the full report.
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Post by DW on Oct 23, 2008 14:22:38 GMT -5
I see Dave D's old Ruger#1 is in the trade blanket if anyone following this is interested.
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Post by DW on Oct 23, 2008 20:50:26 GMT -5
:)sag,my 700's are highly modifed and still would come in much less then your $3500 number scoped.my gun's i put together were $2150 and $2550 now take $685 off for the scope,bases and rings i have on the gun and you could figure the rest.the only problem with building a gun like mine is getting someone to build the plug but luck would have it pete at pa machine will be making them soon so things are getting easier.anyone interested in building one of these 700's just contact me and i will help you threw it.another thing i'll mention that a have alot of money in the stock, bolt and paint so there are areas to build one for much cheaper then i did.the gun i built for my buddy ran him around $1250 with a h&s stock.goodluck sag whatever you build. Dave, what about threading the barrel for a plug, who could do the work, Pac-Nor? |
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Post by dave d. on Oct 24, 2008 4:25:47 GMT -5
:)dave pac-nor has my sketch on file so they can make a barrel for the acp plug.
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Post by DW on Oct 24, 2008 4:35:58 GMT -5
:)dave pac-nor has my sketch on file so they can make a barrel for the acp plug. Cool, looks like green flag racing to you Remington guys.  |
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Post by edge on Oct 24, 2008 21:53:37 GMT -5
:)dave pac-nor has my sketch on file so they can make a barrel for the acp plug. Cool, looks like green flag racing to you Remington guys. You still need a breechplug made for the ACP! edge. |
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Post by DW on Oct 24, 2008 22:26:10 GMT -5
:)the only problem with building a gun like mine is getting someone to build the plug but luck would have it pete at pa machine will be making them soon so things are getting easier.anyone interested in building one of these 700's just contact me and i will help you threw it. You must have missed this edge, or i misinterpreted it. |
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