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Post by Rifleman on Sept 18, 2007 19:02:18 GMT -5
I thought it would be neat to have a thread where guys posted the load data they had personally developed in their own rifles for a quick reference for board members. I will post some data from my notes, and if you want to add to it I am sure it will be appreciated. For convenience sake it might be a good idea if we all used the same format one load per post please might also help.I hope everyone that can contributes.
Rifleman
[glow=red,2,300]CAUTION THIS LOAD DATA IS NOT FACTORY SAVAGE LOAD DATA,USE THIS INFORMATION AT YOUR OWN RISK,MANY OF THESE LOADS ARE MAXIMUM LOADS AND SHOULD BE APPROACHED WITH CAUTION[/glow]
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Rifle: 50 cal Savage 10MLII
Breechplug- Factory Original
Ventliner- Randy Wakeman hardened .031
Powder- VV N120
Charge- 60 grs
Bullet- Barnes Original 300 gr semi spitzer, listed BC .291
Sabot- MMP Orange
Primer- Fed 209A
Muzzle velocity- 2280 fps
Temperature- 65 degrees
Notes- This is a very accurate load in my rifle. Shoots moa at 100 yds and shoots under 2 moa at 300 yds. One of the most accurate long range loads I have ever tested.
Also looking back in some notes on 1-31-06 with a WW209 primer and temperature in the high 30's low 40s the mv was 2248 avg.
65 grains gives an increase of velocity to 2360 fps but accuracy is not as good.
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Post by Rifleman on Sept 18, 2007 19:04:13 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 cal Savage 10MLII
Breechplug- Factory Original
Ventliner- Randy Wakeman hardened .031
Powder- H322
Charge- 75 grs
Bullet- Barnes Original 300 gr semi spitzer, listed BC .291
Sabot- MMP Orange
Primer- Fed 209A
Muzzle velocity- 2255 fps
Temperature- 70 degrees
Notes- This is a very accurate load in my rifle. One ragged hole at 60 yds.
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Post by Rifleman on Sept 18, 2007 19:06:12 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 cal Savage 10MLII
Breechplug- Factory Original
Ventliner- Randy Wakeman hardened .031
Powder- H322
Charge- 80 grs
Bullet- Barnes Original 300 gr semi spitzer, listed BC .291
Sabot- MMP Orange
Primer- Fed 209A
Muzzle velocity- 2390 fps
Temperature- 70 degrees
Notes- This is an accurate load in my rifle. 60 yards kept 3 shots touching.
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Post by Rifleman on Sept 18, 2007 19:09:11 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 cal Savage 10MLII
Breechplug- Factory Original
Ventliner- Randy Wakeman hardened .031
Powder- H322
Charge- 85 grs
Bullet- Barnes 300 gr X bullet
Sabot- MMP Orange
Primer- Fed 209A
Muzzle velocity- only got 2 reads over the chrono 1880 and 2192
Temperature- 70 degrees
Notes- Terrible load, could not keep shots on target at 60 yards.
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Post by Rifleman on Sept 18, 2007 19:11:06 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 cal Savage 10MLII
Breechplug- Factory Original
Ventliner- Randy Wakeman hardened .031
Powder- AA2015
Charge- 80 grs
Bullet- Barnes Original 300 gr semi spitzer, listed BC .291
Sabot- MMP Orange
Primer- Fed 209A
Muzzle velocity- 2010
Temperature- 70 degrees
Notes- This charge weight is to low for this powder, did not pursue any more testing at this time.
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Post by Rifleman on Sept 18, 2007 19:19:07 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 cal Savage 10MLII
Breechplug- Factory Original
Ventliner- Randy Wakeman hardened .031
Powder- VV N110
Charge-35 grs
Bullet- .452 Hornady 250 gr xtp
Sabot- MMP short
Primer- WW 209
Muzzle velocity- 2060 fps
Temperature- 40 degrees
Notes- Was not impressed with accuracy in my rifle but others report better accuracy with this load using the Harvestor sabot.
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Post by Rifleman on Sept 18, 2007 19:20:51 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 cal Savage 10MLII
Breechplug- Factory Original
Ventliner- Randy Wakeman hardened .031
Powder- VV N110
Charge- 35 grs
Bullet- Barnes Original 300 gr semi spitzer, listed BC .291
Sabot- MMP Orange
Primer- WW 209
Muzzle velocity- 1990 fps
Temperature- 40 degrees
Notes- Too slow of a velocity for this bullet.
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Post by Kevin B. on Sept 18, 2007 19:38:25 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 cal Sav. Mod. 10 ML 2
Breechplug: factory
Ventliner: Factory
Powder: H4198
Charge: 66 grains
Bullet: 250 sst
Sabot: hph 12
Primer: Win. 209
Muzzle velocity: N/A
Temp. : 82 degrees
2 3/8 inches at 180 yards with this moderately recoiling load. (three shot group)
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Post by ozark on Sept 18, 2007 19:39:41 GMT -5
Simple as it gets:
Rifle: Savage MLII 50 Cal.
Load: Factory recommended powder 42 grains
Bullets: 250 XTP or SST. Both shoots same groups
Primer: WW 209
Muzzle velocity: Unknown
Group size: As good as I can hold. Around 1-2 Inches at 100 yds.
Breechplug: RB Modified (bushing)
Stock: Plastic with Sims recoil pad and two Mercury recoil reducers.
Sabot: HPH 24
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Post by KerryB on Sept 18, 2007 19:46:28 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 Cal. Savage 10MLSSII
Breechplug: Savage plug modified by RBinAR for drill bushing
Ventliner: RBinAR drill bushing
Powder: 10X
Charge: 72 grains
Bullet: Hornady 300 grain SST
Sabot: Hornady supplied matching sabot
Primer: Winchester 209
Muzzle Velocity: 2350
Temperature: 70
Notes: Excellent powder when shooting 275-300 grain bullets. I use this same load with the 290 TMZ's for around 2400 fps with excellent results as well.
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Post by harley on Sept 18, 2007 19:50:50 GMT -5
Rifle: Stainless, laminated 10ML-II
Breechplug: RB modification
Powder: SR 4759
Charge: 42.5 gns
Bullet: T/C SW 300
Sabot: Harvester Long Black
Primer: W209
MV: Not observed
Temperature: 91 F
Note: Barrel cooled well below ambient between shots; 3-shot group = 0.296"
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Post by KerryB on Sept 18, 2007 19:53:12 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 Cal. Savage 10MLSSII
Breechplug: Savage modified by RBinAR for drill bushing
Ventliner: RBinAR drill bushing
Powder: 13 grains IMR SR4759 under 62 grains H322
Charge: 13/62 or 14/61 Duplex
Bullet: Hornady 250 grain SST or XTP
Sabot: Hornady supplied sabot
Primer: Winchester 209
Muzzle Velocity: 2600 fps
Temperature: mid 70's
Notes: This duplex load is very accurate in the 13/62 to 14/61 range
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Post by KerryB on Sept 18, 2007 20:02:00 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 Cal. Savage 10MLSSII
Breechplug: Savage modified by RBinAR for drill bushing
Ventliner: RBinAR drill bushing
Powder: IMR SR4759
Charge: 43 grains
Bullet: Hornady 250 grain SST or XTP
Sabot: Hornady supplied sabot
Primer: Winchester 209
Muzzle Velocity: 2275 fps
Temperature: 65-75 degrees
Notes: Good standard load and is used by the factory at the 42 grain load level with 250XTP's for accuracy testing before shipping repaired rifles per my test target.
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Post by KerryB on Sept 18, 2007 20:12:24 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 Cal. Savage 10MLSSII
Breechplug: Savage modified by RBinAR for drill bushing
Ventliner: RBinAR drill bushing
Powder: H-322
Charge: 81 grains
Bullet: Hornady 250 grain SST
Sabot: Hornady supplied sabot
Primer: Winchester 209
Muzzle Velocity: 2425 fps
Temperature: 65 degrees
Notes: I have noted to use a minimum of 78 grains and a maximum of 84 grains for 250 grain bullets. 81 grains was the most accurate in my rifle. I think i got this load suggestion from RBinAR but not sure.
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Post by KerryB on Sept 18, 2007 20:21:04 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 Cal. Savage 10MLIISS
Breechplug: Savage modified by RBinAR for drill bushing
Ventliner: RBinAR drill bushing
Powder: 10X
Charge: 75 grains
Bullet: Hornady 250 grain SST
Sabot: Hornady supplied
Primer: Winchester 209
Muzzle Velocity: 2510 fps
Temperature: 65 degrees
Notes: I have noted in my records that speeds with 250 grain bullets need to be kept in the 2500+ fps range due to the slow burning nature of 10X.
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Post by Jeremy on Sept 18, 2007 23:25:44 GMT -5
To the "tips and hints" thread it goes! Keep 'em coming guys!
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Post by MountainMan on Sept 19, 2007 12:58:56 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 cal Savage 10MLII
Breechplug- Factory Original (HIGHLY FOULED)
Ventliner- Randy Wakeman hardened .031
Powder- H322
Charge- 83.0 grs
Bullet- 300 gr Shockwave
Sabot- MMP HPH-24
Primer- CCI 209M
Muzzle velocity- not measured
Temperature- 50 to 85 degrees
Notes- My most consistently accurate load. Consistently sub-MOA, including one 5-shot group consisting of the first shot fired on each of 5 different range visits.
Also, swabbed with alcohol and dry patches after EVERY shot.
When using a fully cleaned, drilled out breach plug, I use 85 grains of H322 (all other components the same). I get virtually identical results as the fouled plug/83 grains comob.
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Post by MountainMan on Sept 19, 2007 13:05:56 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 cal Savage 10MLII
Breechplug- Factory Original
Ventliner- Randy Wakeman hardened .031
Powder- IMR 4198
Charge- 67 grs
Bullet- Barnes 245 gr Spitfire
Sabot- Yellow Supplied
Primer- CCI 209M
Muzzle velocity- not measured
Temperature- 25 to 70 degrees
Notes- MOA load in my gun, and accounted for three deer in 2005. I was able to substitute 250 SSTs w/ HPH24 sabots and get same results in this load.
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Post by MountainMan on Sept 19, 2007 13:21:58 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 cal Savage 10MLII Breechplug- Factory Original Ventliner- Randy Wakeman hardened .031 Powder- VV N110 Charge- 3.1 cc dipper Bullet- Hornady 250 XTP Sabot- MMP short black Primer- Winchester 209 Muzzle velocity- unknown Temperature- 85 degrees Notes- No swabbing between shots; only shot it at 50 yards, and not from bench. Results below:  |
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Post by RAF on Sept 19, 2007 13:24:36 GMT -5
For me it's 43 grains of 4759 under a 250 SST/bonded SW. MV 2260 and under MOA at 100 yds.
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Post by Rifleman on Sept 19, 2007 15:35:53 GMT -5
Mountain Mans load:
Rifle: 50 cal Savage 10MLII
Breechplug- Factory Original (HIGHLY FOULED)
Ventliner- Randy Wakeman hardened .031
Powder- H322
Charge- 83.0 grs
Bullet- 300 gr Shockwave
Sabot- MMP HPH-24
Primer- CCI 209M
Muzzle velocity- not measured
Temperature- 50 to 85 degrees
Notes- My most consistently accurate load. Consistently sub-MOA, including one 5-shot group consisting of the first shot fired on each of 5 different range visits.
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That is a very interesting load, I would estimate that load will clock between 2450 and 2500 fps. Great accuracy and almost the speed of duplex. I bet it kicks plenty hard though. I don't have any Shockwaves right now but I would be it would work great with the 300 gr Barnes original. If I thought my back would handle the abuse I would go out and clock this one.I could see this sending a 250 gr SST out at light speed especially with a modified breech plug. Anybody want to volunteer to clock this load and post your results?
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Sept 19, 2007 19:12:33 GMT -5
250 TMZ, 80 gr H4198, FED209A Primer. Dry swab between shots. MV 2800+. Groups usually in 1 1/2 inches at 100 yds but 4-5 inches at 200. Still huntable IMO.
290 TMZ, 73 gr H4198, FED209A primer. Dry swab between shots. MV 2,550-2,575. Groups usually around 1 inch at 100 yds and around 3 inches or less at 200 yds.
These are powerful loads. DO NOT TRY THEM without starting much lower and working up to them. Your shoulder may tell you to stop before you get there...or before your gun says "stop"
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JS
Eight Pointer
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Post by JS on Sept 19, 2007 19:42:12 GMT -5
50cal 10MLII
300gr SST
HPH24 sabot
62grs N120
Fed. 209A
MV 2330fps
sub MOA at 200yds
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JS
Eight Pointer
Posts: 217
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Post by JS on Sept 19, 2007 19:43:51 GMT -5
50cal 10MLII
300gr Barnes original
Orange MMP sabot
60grs N120
Fed. 209A
MV 2285fps
This load typically shoots 3" to 4" @ 200yds.
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JS
Eight Pointer
Posts: 217
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Post by JS on Sept 19, 2007 19:46:07 GMT -5
50cal 10MLII
300gr Hornady .458" HP
Orange MMP sabot
62grs N120
Fed. 209A
MV 2325fps
This load will typically shoot MOA @ 100yds and be under 2" @ 150yds.
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JS
Eight Pointer
Posts: 217
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Post by JS on Sept 19, 2007 19:48:14 GMT -5
50cal 10MLII
300gr XTP
HPH 12 sabot...untrimmed.
58grs N120
Fed. 209A
MV 2230fps
This load typicaly shoots 1" to 1.5" @ 100yds.
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Post by Rifleman on Sept 20, 2007 4:26:14 GMT -5
Great information guys, this is working out real nice. Those loads by Wilmsmeyer are some mean suckers-OUCH!
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Post by ChrisChampion on Sept 20, 2007 9:52:24 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 Cal. Savage 10MLBSSII
Breechplug: Factory Original
Ventliner: Randy Wakeman Hardened .031
Powder: VV N120
Charge: 58 grains
Bullet: Hornady 300 grain SST
Sabot: Harvester HP Short
Primer: Fed209A
Muzzle Velocity: Unknown
Temperature: 40
Notes: MOA @ 100 yds
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Post by ChrisChampion on Sept 20, 2007 9:54:23 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 Cal. Savage 10MLBSSII
Breechplug: Factory Original
Ventliner: Randy Wakeman Hardened .031
Powder: VV N120
Charge: 58 grains
Bullet: Hornady 300 XTP
Sabot: Harvester HP Short
Primer: Fed209A
Muzzle Velocity: Unknown
Temperature: 40
Notes: Consistently 1" to 1.5" 3 shot groups @ 100 yds. My cheap "plinking" load.
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Post by ChrisChampion on Sept 20, 2007 10:01:59 GMT -5
Rifle: 50 Cal. Savage 10MLBSSII
Breechplug: Factory Original
Ventliner: Randy Wakeman Hardened .031
Powder: VV N120
Charge: 60 grains
Bullet: Barnes 275gr XPB .451"
Sabot: MMP HP-12
Primer: Fed209A
Muzzle Velocity: Unknown
Temperature: 40
Notes: Sub MOA @ 100 yds. Initial testing at 200 yds not promising but wind conditions were less than ideal. Will try this load one more time at 200 yds under calm conditions before I give up on it. Had a mis-fire with this bullet and powder combo using Harvester sabot and clean bore.
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