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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 10, 2009 21:56:47 GMT -5
I am headed to Cabelas this next weekend..I have some gift cards burning a hole in my pocket... I am currently using a Leupold 3X9X40 on my savage.. But feel that I might be a little under scoped... For hunting purposes..I will probably never shoot over 250 yds... I think I would like to upgrade my scope.. I am leaning towards a Zeiss conquest series. I like what I have read about them..also the fact that the eye relief stays the same. I will probably stay in the 3x9 range if Zeiss . Since the price jump is pretty steep when you get out of the Conquest series.I understand their glass is noticibally better . And Leupold has a new line coming out soon..So there VXIII series is on sale I plan on keeping this rifle setup until I am an older man..lol. I would like recomendations On scope's that Cabelas carries. Thanks in advance Drop
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Post by ozark on Jan 10, 2009 22:21:52 GMT -5
I think I would go with the Leupold VXIII series but that is more because I have had no personal experience with Zeiss scopes. Possibly you could do better than my recommendation but with it you shoud get good service while using and if something did go wrong good customer service. Sure some have had issues with Leupold scopes but that is true with all. I don't think Leupold deals in junk scopes. Sometime back there were some cheap scopes marketed under the Leupold name. So if you buy insure that you get the genuine article. Ozark
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Post by youp50 on Jan 10, 2009 22:26:27 GMT -5
At a Cabela's in Owatanna MN I compared the VXIII, 4200 Elite and Conquest. All 3x9 range, I think the Leupy was 3-12 or something and the 4200 might not have been exactly 3x9 either.
I set all scopes to 9x and looked across the store to an area above the the entrance. To my eye the 4200 and VXIII were comparable. The Conquest showed me the paneling had knots.
I still like my leupolds. Its got to do with country of origin.
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Post by rexxer on Jan 10, 2009 22:33:11 GMT -5
Hi drop
I would check out the Sightron big sky , a 3-12,I think 42 mm objective. It suppose to have decent glass too. You can get it without the side AO. Zeiss 3x9 or 3.5x10 conquest would be worth taken a look at.I would stay away from the Zeiss with the side AO. I would take a look at some of the Kayles also!
There are so many options anymore that it gets confusing. I don't think there is any out right winner which one is the best.Ten people might just give you 10 different answers!Good luck,let me know what you ended up with! Rex
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Post by 8ptbuk on Jan 10, 2009 23:24:56 GMT -5
I have 2 Zeiss conquest 3 x 9 scopes and the glass is excellent !!! I also own Leupold VX 111, and VX 11, and 3 Burris Signature series. I personally like the Burris scopes best of all. The 3 x 10 x 40 Sign. with Ball. Plex. is great. I don't like the fullfield series because they appear not in focus around the edges. Everybody's got their own opinion  8ptbuk |
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Post by dougedwards on Jan 10, 2009 23:55:39 GMT -5
Has anyone given one of these rifle scopes any consideration? www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=we800703&lsrc=NZ&src=BE344 Weaver Classic Extreme 1.5-4.5X24 30mm Tube Illuminated German #4 Reticle Reg $410.39 Sale $249.95 Weaver Classic Extreme 2.5-10X56 30mm Tube Illuminated German #4 Reticle Reg $926.88 Sale $269.95 Weaver Classic Extreme 1.5-4.5X24 Illumin Reticle Reg $666.18 Sale $249.95 Weaver Classic Extreme 2.5-10X56 Illuminated Reticle Reg $579.34 Sale $269.95 Weaver Classic Extreme 2.5-10X50 30mm Tube Illuminated German #4 Reticle Reg $878.66 Sale $259.95 Weaver Classic Extreme 2.5-10X50 Illuminated Reticle Reg $878.66 Sale $259.95 Weaver Shotgun Scope 4x32mm 1 Inch Tube Matte Finish Duplex Reticle Reg $245.99 Sale $79.95 |
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 11, 2009 0:31:12 GMT -5
I heard someone had those on sale dirt cheap. For the money they are a buy with a capital B. The only drawback for me is the side focus. The Weaver Classic Extremes lens are almost as clear then the Grand Slams and the Grand Slams I would rate with a 4200 (they do come off the same line), the Sightron Big SkyII and the Nikon Monarch and just a step down from a VX-3 and Zeiss Conquest.
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Post by SW on Jan 11, 2009 7:26:35 GMT -5
I heard someone had those on sale dirt cheap. For the money they are a buy with a capital B. The only drawback for me is the side focus. The Weaver Classic Extremes lens are almost as clear then the Grand Slams and the Grand Slams I would rate with a 4200 (they do come off the same line), the Sightron Big SkyII and the Nikon Monarch and just a step down from a VX-3 and Zeiss Conquest. Are you saying that the Weaver Classic Extreme which lists for appx twice as much as the Grand Slam is not quite as clear as the Grand Slam? I have never seen either scope. Just wonder why the higher priced scope would have poorer optical quality when the scopes are from the same company. What about the internals of the Classic Extremes - both the 2.5X10 and the 1.5X4.5? Thanks. |
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 11, 2009 9:02:12 GMT -5
I second Ozark's post, he is right on the money,The VX-111 3.5-10X40mm is a fine scope. Since Leupold is replacing it, I would wait to the new line.
I have them on both my Savages, 50 & 45. Like a timex watch they keep on ticking.
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Post by Buckrub on Jan 11, 2009 9:30:52 GMT -5
I have a Leupold VX-III 3.5-10X40 on Betsy, and it works like a charm.
Stay away from adjustable objectives, my two cents. I think that is what blows up on these things more than the scope brand, but I have no empirical evidence on that, just my gut feeling. Plus, I hate AO scopes. I have a Zeiss on my .270, 4.5-14 X 40, and I'd love to sell it. But if I did, I'd be buying a Trijicon Accupoint TR22.
But I think the Leupold change is more marketing than anything else. They are eliminating the "VX-III" and coming out with the "VX-3". Go figure. I doubt there is enough difference to jump at.
Sort of like the Leupold RX-III rangefinder. Lots of gizmos, but can't hold a candle to my Leica CRF.
I like the European and American scopes. I stay away from Japanese if possible. That's just me. However, I do want some Nikon binoculars, so I'm sorta goofy, don't listen to me.
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 11, 2009 21:20:24 GMT -5
SW, I got to the see the new 2.5-10X50 Classic Extreme side by side with a 5 year old 3.5-10X50 Grand Slam and I could make out more fine print on a 100yd target with the GS then with that particular CE. I thought the CE would be a worked over GS but it is a totally different beast. Don't get me wrong, the CE is a very good scope and with the 30mm tube is nice and it almost seems to me that they used the same engineering from the 6500 Elite in the CE. For the sale price they are a buy but I wonder why they are dropping the price. I almost suspect they tried the inflated MSRP to get people suckered in on the new line and make some quick cash. Will Federal/ATK switch or combine the product lines of their Nitrex and now Weaver companies, they do have brand recognition with the Weaver line.
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Post by esmd on Jan 11, 2009 22:24:56 GMT -5
I just upgraded to a Nikon Monarch 2.5-10x42 with the BDC reticle. I'm looking forward to putting the reticle through it's paces on some long range shooting. Love it so far.
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Post by dans on Jan 11, 2009 22:32:05 GMT -5
It sounds like you have some idea what you are looking for. When you get there look through all the scopes you think you might want to buy in a side by side comparison. One of them will suit you and you are the only one that can decide. As I get older I find I need better and better quality glass in order to shoot well. You can only shoot as good as you can see.
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Post by SW on Jan 11, 2009 22:33:11 GMT -5
Rossman40/others,
Do you think the guts of the Extreme are tougher than the GS or at least plenty tough for my 40 cal? ? I have 2 Weaver T-36s and really appreciate their tracking accuracy/consistency. I'm considering a 50mm Extreme to go on my lighter recoiling 40 cal MLer. Thoughts? It has 2 Benelli recoil reducers in stock - heavy and very little recoil. I'm about to a very accurate 2900'/sec 200SST load and want it to become my "beanfield" rifle. No post/pictures until it's all worked out.
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Post by rcr on Jan 11, 2009 22:57:49 GMT -5
What Do you guys think of the leupold VX III in 3.5x10X50, will they hold up to recoil of the 50 caliber savage 10ML II?
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Post by dans on Jan 11, 2009 23:05:44 GMT -5
I have an older vari x3 3.5x10x40 on a 50 cal right now that is being tested for long range shooting and so far has had no problems with some very heavy loads.
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Post by encoreguy on Jan 11, 2009 23:37:39 GMT -5
The new vari-X III's will be called Vari-X3's. They will have a different lens system and an extra spring to hold your elevation / windage. That is the main difference. Plus they have a new reticle coming out. I looked through some at the ATA show this weekend, but I did not get a price. I am sure you can get the old model at a good price since they are switching over and there have been some good sales. Personally I like a quality scope with at least 3.5" of eye relief and I prefer range compensating reticles like a mil-dot or Burris Ballistic plex. It works out very nice.
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Post by rossman40 on Jan 12, 2009 1:00:00 GMT -5
The Classic Extreme I looked thru was very nice and most of the things I want in a scope. 30mm tube, decent lenses plus the large objective and lighted reticle for twilight use (I didn't get a chance to use it during low light), it seems pretty tough built without the rubber coating the Grand Slam has and according to the specs a bit heavy at 24oz. The only drawback I see is the side focus or AO which I want to avoid on my .50 10ML but my AR is calling from the safe "buy it, buy it, I want it". As far as my comments on the glass the GS did look better and the CE was almost as good but seemed to lack the "definition" or "crispness" that the GS had (I did play with both the side focus and the eye piece focus some but it may take some more fiddling), of course both were better then my 3200.
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Post by youp50 on Jan 12, 2009 5:46:43 GMT -5
rcr,
That is a very nice scope.
The forces of recoil stress large heavy scopes more than small lighter scopes. Leupold has good warranty program. Mount it properly and shoot it lots. If it fails mail it back. They will fix it.
It is my experience that most mechanical object will either fail right away or will last a long time. Do your shooting now so that all bugs are worked out before hunting season.
That is a very nice scope, or did I say that already.
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Post by dougedwards on Jan 12, 2009 7:15:44 GMT -5
I did order and receive the 2.5-10x50 version of the Weaver Classic Extreme. Unfortunately I had to send it back because of a spintered reticle (looks like a small hair touching the reticle). I did inspect it before I shipped it and in appearance it greatly resembles my Bushnell 6500. The turret knobs looked as if they actually came from the 6500. It was rather heavy but seemed to be built like a tank. I didn't look through it in dim light but I did look at traffic signs on the highway and it appeared to have very clear glass.
The fact that it came to me in a defective condition isn't a good sign but I had the same thing happen once with a Nikon Monarch and it's replacement has served me well for years.
Doug
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Post by rexxer on Jan 12, 2009 8:23:45 GMT -5
What are the differences between the Zeiss Conquest and Zeiss Victory line? I know the Victory uses a bigger tube but are the optics that much better? Rex
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Post by crusader on Jan 12, 2009 8:35:14 GMT -5
I recently purchased my first Savage ML, from Pocampo (Tom Scott). It is replacing my Austin & Halleck ML, on which I had an Elite 4200 in 3-9x40, which is a great scope and one I really like. However, I saw that great deal on the Classic Extreme from Natchez, so I ordered one Saturday. The slightly higher power, the bigger objective (I ordered the 2.5-10x50), assuming my eyes can use it, and the illuminated reticle are appealing to me.
Anyway, assuming I get the new one this week, I will compare both the CE and the Elite this weekend to see which is better. If the Elite is better, I will return the CE. I will post my results and decision.
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Post by ChrisChampion on Jan 12, 2009 10:30:21 GMT -5
12pt...Since you are planning on purchasing from Cabelas see if you can get there right at dusk or later and ask if they will let you take scopes outside to look at them. That's what I did. I think thats the best way to look through a scope. Most scopes look good under store lights. Depending on what you want to spend the 3-9x40 Conquest is tough to beat.
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Post by dougedwards on Jan 12, 2009 12:55:23 GMT -5
I recently purchased my first Savage ML, from Pocampo (Tom Scott). It is replacing my Austin & Halleck ML, on which I had an Elite 4200 in 3-9x40, which is a great scope and one I really like. However, I saw that great deal on the Classic Extreme from Natchez, so I ordered one Saturday. The slightly higher power, the bigger objective (I ordered the 2.5-10x50), assuming my eyes can use it, and the illuminated reticle are appealing to me. Anyway, assuming I get the new one this week, I will compare both the CE and the Elite this weekend to see which is better. If the Elite is better, I will return the CE. I will post my results and decision. Just wondering what criteria that will be used to compare the two scopes. |
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Post by crusader on Jan 12, 2009 15:14:17 GMT -5
Basically, I'll be looking to see which scope is brightest at high magnification under near dusk conditions. Where I hunted last fall and will hunt in future seasons, the deer come out into food plots right before dark, so that is what really matters to me. Obviously, my evaluation will be subjective, determining what is best for my eyes...
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Post by dougedwards on Jan 12, 2009 16:55:54 GMT -5
I would suspect that the 4200 would come out on top on that comparison but I wouldn't know for sure. Like you said......it really depends on your eyes. I have a whitetail decoy located in the pines of my back yard as a target and a large mound of dirt is located behind it. When the silhouette of the deer begins to fade at dusk I bring out my scopes. Some of my discoveries aren't consistent with what most would expect.
The Weaver will have 4" of eye relief as opposed to the Elites 3.3" Anything over 8 power will leave you with less than a 5mm exit pupil on the Bushnell but you will be able to crank up the power to 10x on the Classic Extreme to maintain the same due to it's larger objective lens. I will be interested to know what your eyes find at low light when comparing the two scopes. I am also very curious as to how the Weaver will stand up to hard recoil even though I don't plan on keeping it on my Savage 10ML. The Weaver Classic Extreme scopes have been almost completely ignored for some reason. It should be fun testing it.
Doug
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 12, 2009 20:00:11 GMT -5
I have it pretty well narrowed down to the Zeiss 3x9x40 conquest or I have found a deal on the VXIII for $425 to my door. I have several Leupold's.. What I am looking for is the crispest clearest best warranty scope.. Is the Zeiss more crisp or the Leupold... I dont care for the moving eye relief of the Leupold. But the Zeiss they are holding for me at Cabelas is the display model.. And I wonder how many time's it has been cranked up and down?.. I know now I am getting finniky.... Got to make up my mind here in a few minute's.. I have never had a rifle that recoils like this one doe's... But I have never had a problem with Leupold's either... These kind of decisions cause me to loose sleep..I am always second guessing myself. Drop
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Post by rexxer on Jan 12, 2009 20:10:23 GMT -5
I hear you Drop! I don't know what direction to go either. I'm leaning toward the 3x9 Zeiss or 3.5x10 Zeiss. Can't seem to pull the trigger.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 12, 2009 20:50:52 GMT -5
Zeiss just went up across the board at Cabelas $50.... They said they would hold it for me and honor the old price...  I just gotta make up my mind.. |
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Post by rexxer on Jan 12, 2009 20:57:47 GMT -5
Zeiss 3x9 is 425 on ebay! Is that close to Cabelas?
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