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Post by ourway7 on Jan 31, 2005 18:45:14 GMT -5
Need some load data for the above powder. SST 250 and 300. Had load data but somehow misplace it. Lou
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Post by edge on Jan 31, 2005 18:54:42 GMT -5
Need some load data for the above powder. SST 250 and 300. Had load data but somehow misplace it. Lou Away from my main source, but this may help. IMO, RB will be the best source for this info. I don't have the donor card for this info, but thanks go out to whoever posted it   edge. |
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Post by ABinMD on Feb 1, 2005 0:23:35 GMT -5
Edge, I believe it was Herman's info.
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Post by ourway7 on Feb 1, 2005 4:05:44 GMT -5
Would it be safe to assume Hodgdons and IMR loads could be interchanged? I could only get Hodgdons. Lou
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Post by edge on Feb 1, 2005 8:01:26 GMT -5
I believe that you made a good choice!
edge.
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Post by edge on Feb 1, 2005 8:10:05 GMT -5
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Post by ourway7 on Feb 1, 2005 10:05:33 GMT -5
Edge, thanks a million, will follow your advise, really good reading. I think we spoke of this topic in the past, however I lost my notes, senior moments ;D ;D ;D I spoke to SW he recomended 55 grs. and to go from there. I am weighing a bunch of loads to test will let you know my results. I have a load of 3 hole liners, is it possible they may work, also have Wakeman 1 hole liners, or should I just ditch the 3 hole liners? Thanks Again Lou
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Post by edge on Feb 1, 2005 10:15:03 GMT -5
SNIP or should I just ditch the 3 hole liners? Thanks Again Lou I have never had a three hole liner, but if I recall, RB had good success with the slower powders. The big problem is that once your liners are gone then you will be stuck going back to the one hole anyway  Hopefully RB will weigh in for the best data. edge. |
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Post by ourway7 on Feb 2, 2005 7:35:25 GMT -5
Edge, I have 13 3 hole liners, I bought so many before learning they weren't worth a darn, DUH. Hate to throw them away, Ought to send them back to Savage and tell them to shove them, and see their reply. Thanks loads Lou
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Post by GBB on Feb 2, 2005 8:21:01 GMT -5
I would like to buy some or all of those 3 hole vent liners from you.
May I?
~gbb
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Post by edge on Feb 2, 2005 9:14:55 GMT -5
One of the main limiting factors with the three hole liner is their poor life expectancy, HOWEVER, that seemed to be a factor ONLY in the vent liners that were produced either from a single batch, or after a process change had been made! Originally Toby had great life with the first liners. RB did a test when cracking was an issue and he did not find the problem with his samples either: dougva.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Savage&action=display&thread=1090691559It seems clear that if your batch of liners has good life that you will be fine, but if you only get 25 or so shots then you pulled the "short straw" ;D edge. |
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Post by SW on Feb 5, 2005 8:25:25 GMT -5
Edge, I have 13 3 hole liners, I bought so many before learning they weren't worth a darn, DUH. Hate to throw them away, Ought to send them back to Savage and tell them to shove them, and see their reply. Thanks loads Lou I got very good results from them but their life expectancy seem a little short of the Sav 1-holers. They have the potential of letting a lot of back pressure thru if some of the web goes. Think they are especially beneficial with IMR-4227 and 2400, both of which are harder to ignite than most other powders. Wouldn't consider using it for 5744 as it ignites so easily. You should be able to do a lot of shooting with 13 of them. I have 9 remaining 3-holers and I expect to use them with both 4227 and 2400 and possibly Rel-7. |
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Post by RAF on Feb 5, 2005 8:32:16 GMT -5
SW. Your mention of the 3 holer and 4227 in the same sentence jarred my memory. I still have some 3 holers that I couldn't throw away along with 3/4 of a lb of 4227. Want shot it just for fun. The 30 - 40 shots I fired with 4227 didn't give me a problem with ignition, only accuracy. I've been warned about ignition problems so, now I have a use for the 3 holers. Thanks.
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Post by SW on Feb 5, 2005 8:38:36 GMT -5
You're welcome. I got fair to good accuracy with IMR-4227 but ignition problems with my ML-1 which had rather loose fitting modules from new. Haven't revisted the stuff but will now. I just can't forget the little bitty groups I got with both 250&300XTPs with 2400 34g.
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Post by RAF on Feb 5, 2005 8:44:46 GMT -5
I was also happy with my groups with 4227 which were much better that what I got with my old inline and T7 powder, that is, until I saw what my friend was getting with his new savage and 4759. I tried it and right away my groups improved dramaticly. Now I just want to shoot the 4227 instead of throwing it away.
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Post by herman on Feb 5, 2005 9:55:10 GMT -5
Lou have you tried the H4198 yet?I used IMR when I tried it and it left the barrel pretty fouled and had unburned grains in it and was wondering if the H did the same? I haven't used the h4198 before.
I don't know where my notes are but from memery the IMR 4198 when using the 3 hole liner I did get more fps.and seems like I got a little better accuracy with the 3-hole.If I find my notes I will make sure.I do remember shooting over 70 grs and it kicked like a mule though.
The best load I got was 60 gr I 4198 and a one hole liner w/win primer and 250 sst.
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Post by ourway7 on Feb 6, 2005 7:40:21 GMT -5
Herman, No I haven't had a chance yet, But according to some it is a good choice. Lou
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Post by SW on Feb 6, 2005 8:03:01 GMT -5
I think the 3-holer worked well with H-4198. I've been spoiled by the cleanliness of VV-110,120,130,133, and 2015. H-322 is close. I've found the H-4198, especially in cool, humid conditions, is dirtier by far. So far, nothing has equaled the accuracy of all those 1st powders I've mentioned, both singually and in combination. Their significant drawback - very temp sensitive in velocity. This really affects their use as hunting loads. May need a different load for every 10-15 degree temp change, which can easily change velocity as much as 100-150'/sec. Shooting a duplex of 110/2015/250SST dropped 600'/sec at 3 degrees vs 60degrees. H-322 and H-4198, true to their Extreme claim. are much more velocity constant. That alone makes them possibly a better choice for hunting. Which counts more - consistent 1/2" gps somewhere, or 1-1 1/2" gps at the same place every time regardless of conditions?
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Post by ourway7 on Feb 6, 2005 11:53:13 GMT -5
I have 13 3 hole vents, I will try them with H-4198. and once I get an acceptable load I will only use them for Hunting till I deplete the lot. Then I will also try 1 hole vents to see what they they do. Within the next two weeks I will go to the range as I am going to Baltimore. let you know how I make out. Lou
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Post by Preda8or on Feb 7, 2005 22:45:49 GMT -5
What charge of h-4198 has gave the best accuracy and what is the speed with 250gr bullets
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Post by ourway7 on Feb 8, 2005 4:48:36 GMT -5
Have no idea haven't tried it yet, but I will try between 55 & 60 grs. From all indication I think somewhere between these figuires will be a good one. Lou
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Post by SW on Feb 8, 2005 7:42:39 GMT -5
What charge of h-4198 has gave the best accuracy and what is the speed with 250gr bullets Depends on the tightness of the bullet/sabot IMO. Very tight loads, or ones that obturate well upon firing, 60-65gs will work well and looser loads and ones that are jacketed more heavily or Barnes, 65-70. |
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