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Post by dave d. on Jun 3, 2005 18:01:03 GMT -5
:)ok guys i'm looking to purchase a varmint rifle for hunting and paper.i have narrowed it down to a .223 wssm,22-250,or .220 swift.i'm looking to shoot very fast and flat.my bullet range will be 40grs to 75grs(ballistic tip's).i'm limited on info but i did see some impressive numbers for the .223 wssm.i'm also looking at the browning a-bolt which has a 10 twist in the .223 and a 14 twist in the 22-250.which one of these twist's would be best for the 40gr to 75gr bullet's?also does the chrome lined barrel help with errosion?sorry for all the question's just want to get it right.thank's
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Post by RAF on Jun 4, 2005 7:44:57 GMT -5
Dave I shoot a 22-250 and load Hornady 40 gr V-max. It shoots 3/4 inch groups(when I'm having a good day ;D) @ 100 yds at just around 4100 FPS. Was at the range with it the other day and no problem hitting gopher sized rocks at 200 yds. and turning them into pebbles.
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Post by dave d. on Jun 4, 2005 8:35:37 GMT -5
:)thank's raf what gun do you have(also barrel length and twist).
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Post by bubba on Jun 4, 2005 9:33:56 GMT -5
Dave I sincerely doubt that you will find a barrel that shoots bullets in the 40-70grain range accurately. I think that you will find some that shoot 40-55grains or 50-65grains, but doubt that you will find one that shoots (well) the entire range, you will need a faster twist barrel for the heavier ones, THEN, with a varmint bullet, the jacket would fly apart going those speeds - IMO. I would shoot for 40-60grains. I have had a 22-250, a 223, and currently have a 220 swift. All were remington 700 varmint guns. Of all of them, only the swift was difficult to get to be a shooter, in fact I am still, slowly working on that If I were buying a new one, I would give the serious look at the 22-250. GOod luck ! -bubba
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Post by dave d. on Jun 4, 2005 11:37:30 GMT -5
:)thank's bubba the more i look at this i will probably use 40 to 55gr bullets so with that in mind what is the best twist for a 22-250 or .223wssm or .243wssm.bubba do you have any knowledge of the wssm's or hear anything good about them?also how's the a-bolt.thank's
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Post by bubba on Jun 4, 2005 12:05:06 GMT -5
I have heard nothing but good out of the wssm's with a-bolts. A dealer friend of mine has them & luvs them. I do not know anyone that has any of the winchesters.
I would expect 1-12 or 1-14 would be a good twist with a fast centerfire 22 caliber.
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Post by dave d. on Jun 4, 2005 14:35:18 GMT -5
:)bubba the .223 and .243 wssm's are 1-10 twists is this ok for lighter bullets like the 40's and which one would you get if you were in the market.thank's
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Post by edge on Jun 4, 2005 14:56:07 GMT -5
Here is a link on Barrel Twist and other features: www.uslink.net/~tom1/twistrate.htmI have also converted it to a spreadsheet which I could email to anyone interested. I think that there is a way to add attachments with the new Board, but I can't figure it out yet It would be interesting to know how accurately this works in the real world ;D edge.
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Post by dave d. on Jun 4, 2005 17:19:23 GMT -5
:)edge i would be interested in your spreedsheet.thank's for the info.
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Post by edge on Jun 4, 2005 18:13:24 GMT -5
It is in your Email :-) edge. :)edge i would be interested in your spreedsheet.thank's for the info.
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Post by bubba on Jun 4, 2005 21:15:27 GMT -5
:)bubba the .223 and .243 wssm's are 1-10 twists is this ok for lighter bullets like the 40's and which one would you get if you were in the market.thank's I dont know much ( haha Rifleman, maybe I should end the sentence here? ) about WSSM's, whatever browning's twist is sure works for my buddy in 243 and 223 WSSM. I wouldnt discount that new 204 ruger caliber either -bubba
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Post by dave d. on Jun 5, 2005 7:37:06 GMT -5
:)thank's bubba
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Post by RAF on Jun 5, 2005 8:12:01 GMT -5
Dave, mine is a Remington 700 BDL with 14 twist. I've never measured the barrel length and am not at home right now. Can measure it later if you need to know.
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Post by dave d. on Jun 5, 2005 9:53:13 GMT -5
:)thank's raf if it's not to much trouble.
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Post by bubba on Jun 5, 2005 11:17:49 GMT -5
dave/raf
according to the remington.com website, the 700 bdl model has a 24inch barrel.
-bubba
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Post by dave d. on Jun 5, 2005 14:28:30 GMT -5
:)thank's bubba here's another question what'a better 24" or 26".
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Post by bubba on Jun 5, 2005 14:55:19 GMT -5
oh, thats a tough one (without starting a big discussion ! ). here are my thoughts since you asked If I were to purchase one withOUT a heavy barrel, I would get a 24in, with a heavy barrel, I would consider it mostly a bench gun or a stand gun where I didnt have to carry it too far - they get heavy, especially with the little 22cal bores. so, not a direct answer, cuz it depends upon the application in my book. I hope that helps. I guess that the 26in will give you (usually) slightly more velocity, but not much more. (less than 100fps). -bubba
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Post by dave d. on Jun 5, 2005 18:53:35 GMT -5
:)thank's bubba
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Post by RAF on Jun 6, 2005 8:57:03 GMT -5
Dave, Bubba was right. It's 24 inches.
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Post by dave d. on Jun 6, 2005 14:07:22 GMT -5
:)thank's raf
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Post by dave d. on Jun 13, 2005 17:08:20 GMT -5
:)guy's any info on the 6mm rem?hows this caliber stand up to the other calibers mentioned.thank's
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Post by RAF on Jun 14, 2005 7:53:28 GMT -5
Dave I don't know much about the 6mm but the 243 is also a good varmint round. I've talk to some that with some of the new smaller 6mm bullets and the right powder they can be loaded to over 4000 FPS and shoot accurately.
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Post by dave d. on Jun 14, 2005 14:14:29 GMT -5
:)raf,thank's for the info that sounds good.i am leaning i think towards the 6mm but would like to know what twist would be good for 55 to 70gr bullets.thank's
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Post by scott41069 on Jun 16, 2005 19:18:09 GMT -5
Edge, would you email it to me also? Thanks.
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Post by DaveK on Jun 19, 2005 19:22:36 GMT -5
I was shooting my 6 mm with Sierra 85gr. bthp's. Deadly on varmints and I was told it was the same bullet was perfect for deer. It is a personal thing, but I would lean toward a 6 mm over the 243. Now remember ,I am a little prejudice since I had one.
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Post by dave d. on Jun 20, 2005 16:09:44 GMT -5
:)thank's dave
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Post by dave d. on Jul 1, 2005 17:38:42 GMT -5
:)guy's i've made my decision and i'm going to pick up a a-bolt in .243 wssm from cabela's tommorow.they had two there on clearence for $699 which made that decision even easier.i hope to get out next week to shoot some 55gr bt out of it. hope it's accurate.
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Post by dave d. on Jul 6, 2005 17:57:23 GMT -5
:)well guy's i went to the range today to shoot my a-bolt .243 wssm.i was using factory 55 gr bt's at 4060fps.with a 4.5 pound trigger the gun shot 3/8" @ 100yrds and 1 7/8" @ 300yrds.what do you think guys should i keep her?
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Post by dave d. on Jul 28, 2005 19:59:21 GMT -5
:)guy's i went to the range today to do a little more 300yrd shooting with my .243wssm.the more i shoot this rifle the more i love it.today i shot a 1 1/2" group including the first shot from a clean, cold barrel.if i take this shot out of the group it measures a measely 15/16".this is with factory ammo 55gr silvertips.boy i'm really glad my buddy pushed me to get this gun.
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Post by E.T. on Jul 28, 2005 22:17:12 GMT -5
DaveD I think you have a keeper there. For varmints out to 250 meters I enjoy using my .223 Ruger that produces groups just under 2” at that range. Also enjoy using the .223 for Jack Rabbits when I do get a chance to get out to hunt them. Sounds like the .243WSSM would be deadly to 300 and better for them as I enjoy a meal of JR done in white wine and basted with a little ginger added to apricot marmalade. Now I also have an interest (love) of getting a 25.06 in a short magnum version eventually but after reading the results you are getting with the .243WSSM this has now generated a personal quandary. Decisions, decisions, decisions. ;D By the way that is some nice shooting and thanks for sharing your results. Ed
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