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Post by onecardchuck on Nov 2, 2008 22:44:21 GMT -5
I finally got around to doing my side by side comparison of the Hornady FPB at 350 grains, and Thor bullet at 250 grains. My setup: - 10 ML II, Laminated Stock, Stainless Barrel - Got a new crown done, and a third pillar and bedding job by richard(I can't say enough good things about his work.) - Factory breech plug and ventliner. - Spin jag loader. - Started out clean. My ritual for loading: Every shot I load the powder then tamp the gun on my foot 3 or 4 times to even it out. Then with the same pressure all the way down the bore I load the bullet. Finally I pack it down with two three counts of at least 60 pounds of pressure. Observations: Hornady FPB, 350 grain - Hard to load staright, easy to load once you get it straight, and can't handle 120 of BH209 without breaking down as you will see in the target below. Now I know why RW shot it with 100 grains of BH209. If you go to the BH209 web site they state you can get 1909 fps with 120 grains, but they don't tell you your accuracy is out the window. Thor, .503, 250 grain - Easy to get straight in the barrel, and slightly easier to load than the FPB. Can absolutely handle 120 grains of BH 209 quite nicely as you can see in the target below. These are the real deal for 50 caliber sabot less. It won't be until next year that I get to trying them with some smokeless loads. I would recommend trying them out with BH209 they are a great match up. Enter at your own risk using smokeless. BH209 - It is not smokeless for sure but had an acceptable amount of smoke, very consistent shot to shot. Who ever said it was as clean as smokeless I am guessing never shot smokeless. After 25 shots my gun needed a good cleaning, but I must say it was easy to clean up. The bullets: Range Results: 45 degrees out with a 5 mph wind at my back, no swabbing between shots and waited about 10 minutes between shots, but barrel never really got hot like with smokeless. Sorry guys no chrony, but it is on Christmas list. The BH209 website states with 120 grains on all 250 grain projectiles they are all in the 2100 fps range, which I assume I was getting around the same. As you can see by my results the Hornady FPB with a magnum load is a huge disappointment, but I was elated with the results of the Thor bullet. Oh the one I pulled was because I had the accu-trigger depressed, but have my trigger set at 4 pounds and when I went to do a slight adjustment bang, and I was not quite ready for it. Also, wanted to note the Thor four shot group was my last four shots of the day of 25 shots. Hope this helps and happy hunting.
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Post by encoreguy on Nov 3, 2008 8:21:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the very nice report! I will have to try the Thor's in my Encore and Disc Elite with some BH209. I was worried that ignition with BH and those bullets might be an issue since they are looser than saboted, but it seems from your report that it is not an issue.
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Post by onecardchuck on Nov 3, 2008 8:41:01 GMT -5
encoreguy, No ignition problems with either bullet I got 25 bangs out of 25 loads. Make sure you get the correct diameter .501, .502, or .503 for each gun. If you are unsure call Terry at Thor bullets and he can help you out. I used the .503 for the savage.
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Post by edge on Nov 3, 2008 9:39:23 GMT -5
Very nice, thanks.
edge.
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Post by fowlplay on Nov 3, 2008 9:45:35 GMT -5
Good report on the bullets.
The Thor bullets look like a TMZ. Is this a all copper bullet? If it is all copper the base might orbitrate better with smokeless powder. Steve
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Post by onecardchuck on Nov 3, 2008 9:51:22 GMT -5
The info on the Thor bullet can be found at: www.thorbullets.com/Terry at Thor bullets says he shoots it with 43 grains of 4759.
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Post by whyohe on Nov 3, 2008 16:16:52 GMT -5
what primer wher you using?
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Post by DW on Nov 3, 2008 16:26:04 GMT -5
Is the Thor longer in length than the FPB? Also, if you cut the tip off would it be less than 1" in length?
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Post by onecardchuck on Nov 3, 2008 16:50:28 GMT -5
whyoye,
Opps, I can't believe I forgot that in the post. Using the Fed 209A.
DW,
I will post measurements for you tonight or tommorrow of the Thor bullet. Length with and without the tip. I know you can buy the 300 grain in Hollow point only right now, I do not know if you can buy the 250 grain in hollow point or if you have to buy in ballistic tip and then remove the tip.
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Post by onecardchuck on Nov 3, 2008 21:09:29 GMT -5
DW,
Thor 250 grain measurements: 1) a hair over 1 3/16 of an inch with the tip on. 2) a hair over 15/16 of an inch with no tip.
Hornady FPB 350 grain measurements: 1) a hair over 1 2/16 of an inch with the tip on. 2) exactly one inch with no tip.
Hope this helps,
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Post by DW on Nov 3, 2008 21:59:54 GMT -5
Thanks, just curious if they were legal for Col.
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Post by blackhawk7204 on Nov 12, 2008 19:04:40 GMT -5
Has anyone tried the Thor bullet with smokeless yet? I have some Thor 250gr balistic tips I want to try but need to know what a safe load would be with 10X powder. I am currently using 65gr of 10X behind a 300gr SST with a HPH12 sabot and federal 209 primer. 1" or less from my ML I.
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Post by onecardchuck on Nov 12, 2008 20:28:18 GMT -5
blackhawk7204,
The only info I have is the owner said he shot it with 43 and 43.5 grains of 4759. I don't know if you can relate that back to a powder you have to get you a starting point. Good luck I will probably try them next year with N110 and/or N120.
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Post by blackhawk7204 on Nov 14, 2008 21:21:44 GMT -5
Well I went to the range today to try the Thor with some 10X, but I couldn't get it to fire. Then I tried 43.5 grains of 4759 with the 250grain thor. Group was around 1.75 to 2". Not great but I'm sure it will get better when I have more time to try some different loads. Recoil was light and bullet hit a little low compared to the 300grain SST with 10X I had it sighted in for . The recovered bullet looked like the one at Thor's website, awsome!
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Post by onecardchuck on Nov 14, 2008 22:48:43 GMT -5
blackhawk7204,
Great news on the range session with 43.5 grains of 4759. I will probably start with 42 grains of N110 and work my way up.
I talked to the owner again and he said the testing on this bullet using gel blocks was awesome. It was basically stated that this bullet opens the fastest and the widest of a number of tested bullets.
I may get to play around over Thanksgiving we will see.
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Post by thor1 on Nov 14, 2008 22:55:07 GMT -5
To improve accuracy of the Thor bullet make sure the loading jag is close to bore size. Thor bullets recommends one on their pamplet. This type of jag ensures ballistics tip isn't impacted and the bullet aligns true to the bore since there isn't a sabot.
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Post by johnd on Nov 14, 2008 22:56:27 GMT -5
Great report thanx.
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Post by thor1 on Nov 14, 2008 23:03:05 GMT -5
The 250 grain Thor measures .970" without the tip. Therumors are if there was enough demand there would be a "Colorado" 250 grain hollow point bullet in the future!!!!
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Post by onecardchuck on Dec 3, 2008 16:59:41 GMT -5
I got a chance to get to the range while I was home in NJ over Thanksgiving.
I had excellent results with the Thor bullet and N110 at 42 and 43 grains. I also found out my brother-in-law has a chrony, which I borrowed. I am hoping to get to the range either this weekend or next and will post a range report with my results ASAP. I have for the first time ever switched my hunting load mid season I was so impressed.
If you are contemplating a .45 pacnor you may want to hold that thought till I get my report out, if these powder ranges will suffice your need for speed. I probably won't have enough time to test out any more than 43 grains of N110, but will do what I can for my last range session of this year.
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Post by onecardchuck on Dec 4, 2008 11:17:00 GMT -5
One more thing to note. I got it to go bang in 42 degrees 6 out of 6 shots with the Thor bullet. It loads very easy like 10 pounds of pressure, but seems to seat very well.
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Post by sagittarius on Dec 7, 2008 0:45:52 GMT -5
What are the risks of shooting the Hornady50 CAL 350 GR FPB sabotless bullet in the MLII with 44grs 4759 powder since it hasn't been tested with smokeless by Hornady ? Do you guys think it would be safe ?
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Post by RBinAR on Dec 7, 2008 6:16:36 GMT -5
Has anyone tried the Thor bullet with smokeless yet? I have some Thor 250gr balistic tips I want to try but need to know what a safe load would be with 10X powder. I am currently using 65gr of 10X behind a 300gr SST with a HPH12 sabot and federal 209 primer. 1" or less from my ML I. I don't know what the bullet you're planning to shoot weighs but if it's 300 grains it will shoot the same the SST. If it is the heavier of the bullets (350 grains) 10X will still shoot it at the load level (65 grn) you mention. However this is comparible to a 50 Alaskan light bullet load and might have some recoil. If your bullet weighs less than 300 grains 10X might be too slow for the application without shooting a large recoiling load.
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Post by SW on Dec 7, 2008 7:56:10 GMT -5
:)Very nice report. Might consider shooting the Thor bullet with a small amt of starter powder(for ignition's sake), say 5-7 gs followed by a slower powder such as VV-120,H-4198,10X,etc. This might be easier on the base and contribute to accuracy. Also, might consider trying WWs. They have helped a # of us sabotless shooters. I'd even consider a 45 cal WW in the base with a 50 cal behind it. These are just things to consider trying.
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Post by onecardchuck on Dec 7, 2008 12:59:06 GMT -5
Sagittarius, There are other links on this board that basically state the Hornady FPB cannot handle magnum loads, and 44 grains is a magnum load with smokeless. The bullet breaks down and accuracy goes out the window. See the following link for more info: dougva.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Savage&thread=9543&page=1RbinAR, The bullet wieghts 250 grains and does come in a 300 grain version, which I have not yet tested. SW, It is on my list for next year to mix some N110 and N120 and even try the 300 grain bullet with this combo. I may try the wonder wads depending on how my testing goes, but I will probably take your advice and get the .45, and .50 cal so I have them. Thanks for the info. Thanks to all for your input.
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Post by sagittarius on Dec 7, 2008 18:09:24 GMT -5
Sagittarius, There are other links on this board that basically state the Hornady FPB cannot handle magnum loads, and 44 grains is a magnum load with smokeless. The bullet breaks down and accuracy goes out the window. See the following link for more info: Thanks for the link. I bought some to try today but couldn't start them down the barrel of my Savage to save my life. Mine will be going back to Walmart.
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Post by onecardchuck on Dec 8, 2008 9:41:52 GMT -5
Sagittarius,
Yeah I remember they were tough to start and get lined up right, but once you got them in they loaded easy. I don't blame you for taking them back.
I am hoping to get to the range this weekend and try the Thor bullet with N110 smokeless and post all of my results so stay tuned.
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