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Post by wilmsmeyer on Dec 21, 2008 8:17:23 GMT -5
This spring I plan on tinkering at the range with different bullets and this is what I plan on:
Saboted: .458 350 Speer Hot-Core. BC is about .23. This is a bullet designed for hot 45-70 loads and .458 Win Mag speeds. These speeds are exactly in line with what we shoot our Savages at.
As for powders, I may go away from H4198 and try some slower powders for this bullet like H322 and H4895. Would be happy with 2300-2400 fps.
Sabotless: Something big. Maybe a 500 gr XTP made for the 500 SW Revolver. Going to try for accuracy over speed with this one. Hoping that bigger (heavier)will prove easier in terms of ignition. I really just want something to work better and be more consistent then what I've been able to do so far. Speed wise I will probably try and keep things under 2000 fps...Not sure on powders for this yet. I will state that there is no "good" reason for doing this other then for the fun of it.
With the season over, there is a little post-season dreariness going on...need to play a little with new things.
My biggest area of improvement needs to be at the 200 yd line. With the loads I have I can always hold a 4-6 inch group out at 200. However, I'd like things a little tighter.
Tar and Rifleman are going to tell me to go get N120 and BO's and I just might one day.
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Post by rexxer on Dec 21, 2008 9:26:39 GMT -5
Wilms
I hope your dental work is up to date ,those 500 grains are going to be brutal!
Don't even talk about giving into Rifleman or Tar!!! That just wouldn't seem Right!!! ;D
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Post by tar12 on Dec 21, 2008 10:05:04 GMT -5
;D There is going to be a change for ole Tar this year in terms of powder used to push the BO.It is not that I do not like N120,but it is the constant availability issue.If I do not find a VERY comparable powder,I will deal with it.I will stick with the BO.It has no equal in the long range 300 grn arena.This is the proper time of the year for testing with saboted loads and test I will.I do not have to be back to work until March. ;D ;D Wilms,I would love to come up and video you recoiling around on the ground after touching off those 500 grn monsters! ;D Those Jurassic Park whitetails will not have a chance buddy! ;D
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Post by chuck41 on Dec 21, 2008 10:46:53 GMT -5
I plan on doing a bit of resizing for the 40 and plan to start right after the first of the year. Some 41 Mag bullets will be first. The XTP for the 41 Mag is a much different animal from that for the 40. It appears to be much tougher. Has a much smaller hollow point and weighs 210grains. Also the Remington 210gr soft point bullet looks like a good candidate for resizing and possibly even reshaping of the nose to a spire point. I have got a supply of both and will be resizing them using an Arbor press currently on order.  If those work out, there is also a Barnes Original 250gr out there that is just beggin for a squeezin. If they are so great in the .45 size I'll bet the .40s ones designed for the Win 401 are pretty good as well and they should shoot just great resized for a Savage/Pacnor 40. The same loads I am currently using that push a 200gr XTP to 2300 - 2750 should work just fine for any of these.  |
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Dec 21, 2008 10:52:41 GMT -5
These whitetails don't ever really have a chance unless they get issued one. ;D ;D
A lightfield 12 ga slug is 545 gr and goes about 1500-1600 I think. I think a 500 gr bullet in the Savage at 2000 fps will be in the same ballpark for recoil. Maybe easier. Any shotgun slug load I have shot is brutal compared to any Savage load I've ever tried. Gun set up, gun set up, gun set up!
Maybe I can get a video going for you Tar.
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Post by tar12 on Dec 21, 2008 10:58:22 GMT -5
These whitetails don't ever really have a chance unless they get issued one. ;D ;D A lightfield 12 ga slug is 545 gr and goes about 1500-1600 I think. I think a 500 gr bullet in the Savage at 2000 fps will be in the same ballpark for recoil. Maybe easier. Any shotgun slug load I have shot is brutal compared to any Savage load I've ever tried. Gun set up, gun set up, gun set up! Maybe I can get a video going for you Tar. I was just messing with ya buddy! ;D I shot a bunch of Light-Fields in my Tar-Hunts. They are very doable.You are oh so correct on the brutality of shotgun slugs! |
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 21, 2008 11:08:21 GMT -5
IMO recoil is more mental than anything else.
Ever watch the hunting show, with the tall blond Cindy, she shoots a .577 with skill.
Surely the macho gents on this site, can do anything a pretty 120 lb sweety can do.
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Post by DBinNY on Dec 21, 2008 12:35:02 GMT -5
bigmoose, if the recoil from some of those hot, new shotgun slugs is mental, I must be a headcase. I'm a fair sized boy who isn't shy around recoil but the recoil from some of those is insane (as is the price). I've shot big bore rifles that were well stocked and quite heavy that were much more fun and comfortable to shoot. I suspect that Wilms will have similar results with his experimentation. Most board members are hunting deer, not cape buffalo. No real need to have a combo that kills on both ends. As for me, the shotgun can collect dust and I'll stick with the Savage.
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Post by SW on Dec 21, 2008 12:59:39 GMT -5
I shot a bunch of Light-Fields in my Tar-Hunts. I have a friend, an orthodontist, who has a Tar-Hunt who shot a 144 5/8 " white tail running full speed across a cut soybean field @ 126 measured yards(after the shot - I went back to where we were standing and he lazered me from the deer that DRT). He is likely the best hunter I've ever been with. He has a Tar-Hunt with a 50mm Swarovski. He said the TH was designed(optimized) to shoot the Light-fields(made in Poland, at least at the time). They are outstanding shotguns - of course don't compare to the 10-ML2, except for the quick 2nd shot. |
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Post by bigmoose on Dec 21, 2008 13:04:26 GMT -5
DBinNY,
I have never shoot a rifle slug, as a matter a fact, very little shotgun shooting, so I will give way to your opinion.
But, my point remains, I have never fired a rifle, where recoil was a consideration. If I was using a centerfire rifle in Alaska, I'd choose a .416, Use enough gun, I agree with that thinking.
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Post by jtwodogs on Jan 1, 2009 15:16:21 GMT -5
Wilmsmeyer:
Let me know how your test works out with those Speer bullets.
I have two boxes of 350 gr. Horn. round nose that I suspect are made for the same vel. as those hotcores. If your accuracy is decent I may have to order some Orange MMp, and give them a try.
Thanks.
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 1, 2009 15:45:58 GMT -5
chuck41,
The arbor press makes resizing a pleasure, I got the 1 ton model, after talking to Smokeeter, I was sorry I didnt get the 2 ton, Paul has destroyed a couple. Some jacketed bullets I tried to resize with the press were a no-go, I had to back to the vice, to push them though.
But with the all copper bullets its a breeze. ;D
Good Luck,
Marty
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Post by jtwodogs on Jan 1, 2009 16:16:56 GMT -5
Ok. Ya got me would I have to re-size my Horn. bullets to shoot them. They mic @.458, I thought with an orange MMP, I could shoot them?
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Post by hunter on Jan 1, 2009 16:26:25 GMT -5
jtwodogs;
You should be fine with the .458 and the orange mmp sabot. If they are a little loose you can use the Harvester black crushed rib sabot.
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Post by encoreguy on Jan 1, 2009 20:05:03 GMT -5
This spring I plan on tinkering at the range with different bullets and this is what I plan on: Saboted: .458 350 Speer Hot-Core. BC is about .23. This is a bullet designed for hot 45-70 loads and .458 Win Mag speeds. These speeds are exactly in line with what we shoot our Savages at. As for powders, I may go away from H4198 and try some slower powders for this bullet like H322 and H4895. Would be happy with 2300-2400 fps. Sabotless: Something big. Maybe a 500 gr XTP made for the 500 SW Revolver. Going to try for accuracy over speed with this one. Hoping that bigger (heavier)will prove easier in terms of ignition. I really just want something to work better and be more consistent then what I've been able to do so far. Speed wise I will probably try and keep things under 2000 fps...Not sure on powders for this yet. I will state that there is no "good" reason for doing this other then for the fun of it. With the season over, there is a little post-season dreariness going on...need to play a little with new things. My biggest area of improvement needs to be at the 200 yd line. With the loads I have I can always hold a 4-6 inch group out at 200. However, I'd like things a little tighter. Tar and Rifleman are going to tell me to go get N120 and BO's and I just might one day. Is there a reason you are going away from H4198? I know that it has worked very well for you in the past. |
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Post by DBinNY on Jan 1, 2009 22:04:35 GMT -5
Wilms used up all his H4198 on ice cream over the Holidays. He uses it for sprinkles ;D.
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Post by DannoBoone on Jan 1, 2009 22:27:55 GMT -5
Going to try some 150gr Barnes MZ's in the .45 this spring. Should be interesting what will happen in the 3000fps range. Too bad they got discontinued.  |
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Jan 2, 2009 6:06:57 GMT -5
When pushing heavier bullets, H4198 will not be the ideal powder to use. A slower powder will be needed for optimum performance.
As for 250-300 gr bullets, H4198 is still my choice.
DB, I've never wasted 1 gr of H4198 on Ice cream. ;D
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Post by jtwodogs on Jan 2, 2009 7:07:02 GMT -5
I know its a different bird, but use 46 ish. gr. of imr 4198 to push a 420 gr. gc hard cast from a Ranch dog mould., and it shoots moa out of my modified guide gun.
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