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Post by E.T. on Jan 9, 2009 19:40:33 GMT -5
SW
I am antagonized and feel the intended agony of not following towards the promised land of the 45 & 40. Where the milk and honey loads are said to be sweeter. There also I will find the grass greener on the other side.
But alas I am still anchored to the possible expectation of what the 50cal can produce if explored further. I am caught in a hopeless addiction that requires many more range sessions seeking what awaits because of the magnetism of my expectations that attracts me further and deeper into the realm of the 50.
I have an accurate out to 200 yd book load producing 2300fps using a 250SW bullet and when scope is zeroed at 150 yds the cross hair on my scope never leaves a deer’s body when I shoot. This load generates a medium recoil because of additional mods with recoil pad and recoil reducer installed. Here woe with me because I seek even yet a milder recoil load in a smaller grain bullet that hopefully will produce equal results of my 250SW bullet load.
Woe with me that I am compulsively eager to currently go to the range when I can and spend additional time and money shooting possible load combinations thought up and that as a secondary result helps my shooting form so that when hunting season comes around I can produce good shots. Now if I had a dynamite shooter of a 45 there would be no compulsion or need to spend as much range time as I do now. My accurate CF rifles in my cabinet will attest to that.
Woe with me in the summer time when the heat demon attacks my sabots integrity. But now a cooling rod saint has appeared to negate some of the heat demon’s influence. Here I now have some relief.
Because of the path I have chosen with 50cal I now must endure the driving force pushing for additional range visits seeking what appears to possibly being an elusive goal of using a lighter bullet because I am not totally convinced it is an elusive goal.
What can I say, “I’m in agony” but for some inexplicable reason I am enjoying this kind of pain. ;D ;D
Ed
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Post by dave d. on Jan 9, 2009 19:55:04 GMT -5
Yeah dave I was about to offer to send them several combos for their testing purposes. So that little detail is taken care of. I may be one of the first to order one when they get them sorted out. I have a dream of a matching pair of savages in 45 and in 50. Oh and by the way energy delivered at long range = advantage 50. :)dan you and jeff will be the first .50 pac-nor guys.i wish you guys the best of luck with your dd barrels.hell maybe i'll get one to.
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Post by petev on Jan 9, 2009 20:08:27 GMT -5
I'm a new 10ml-2 owner wondering what the h--- I got myself into? Don't fret jk, the MLII is a little complicated when you start (although this board has made it alot easier), but it doesn't have to be anything like the impression you might get from some of the discussions. Cincinnatus (me) being a simple man, I stuck with a pretty standard load, sabot, bullet, and they are all readily available and not expensive, and I am very happy. In fact, I reduced the load, and feel confident out to 150 yards, as I estimate the charge is about equivalent of 120 gr FFg.
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Post by richard on Jan 9, 2009 20:54:46 GMT -5
I agree the Savage .50 MLII is capable of doing what Savage built it for..............Killing deer size game at reasonable (out to 150 to 200 yards) distances. However, as a benchrest shooter, and not doing a whole lot of hunting lately, I am more interested in tiny "bug-hole" groups. My first gun that Savage replaced didn't do it and the second one is only marginally better. Would I be confident with taking a deer at 200 yards? Sure. I have loads that will do it. When you consider the kill zone on a deer, a gun that will shoot 3 MOA at 200 yards will take a deer every time the nut behind the butt can hold his crosshairs still enough. I also would like a custom .50 barrel to wring out and maybe it will come to be. However, for now, I will patiently wait for my .45 Pac-Nor to arrive. I just bought a blued MLII from KevinB along with an extra barrel. I put the borescope in them today and found the same sad state of affairs as the SS barrels only worse! Who know? maybe one of them will shoot. It will be transferred to a nice factory thumbhole laminate that I already have. The barrel will get some mild lapping, breechplug modified and a decent crown cut on it. Who knows? It might be a "one holer!" Anyone interested in the other blued barrel, PM me. Richard
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Post by tar12 on Jan 9, 2009 22:10:28 GMT -5
I got several old goats in one shot! ;D LOL! That was to easy!
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Post by SW on Jan 9, 2009 22:16:58 GMT -5
I don't believe saboted 50 cal shooting is necessarily less accurate than saboted 45 cal shooting, BUT the 45 cals are custom barrels that cost a fair amt of money and most of the 50 cals are factory Sav barrels. This is not necessarily a fair comparison. to antagonize the older members of this board. Please keep in mind my initial statement concerning saboted 45(custom barrel) vs 50 (factory barrel) shooting. I have found sabotless shooting more consistent and more accurate than saboted shooting. Think I did a good job on the 2nd. I'm good at this.
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Post by RBinAR on Jan 10, 2009 2:56:03 GMT -5
Well,its hard for the first time visitor posing a question in regards to his saboted .50 not to get this impression with individuals injecting their single minded, uninvited and irrelevant 40/45 propaganda. I hope that's a joke if not I read it wrong! I'd hate to have to think of a serious answer. My head is aching now.
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Post by jkruger on Jan 10, 2009 5:29:34 GMT -5
I'm a beginer w/ the 10ml-II , so some of these conversations have my head spinning in circles is all. just sticking w/ basic loads for now . Not concerned about bug holes at this point. It does seem to be another hobby in the making as far as obsessing over speed and bc . It sure is head and shoulders above shooting my smokers , there looking obsolete the more I get familarized w/ the ml-II.
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 10, 2009 6:56:51 GMT -5
Rick,
Watch out, or you will have to join us in the corner........but who would we rather have, than RBinAR? The father of the sweetest shooting rifle I have ever owned.
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Post by KerryB on Jan 10, 2009 8:58:05 GMT -5
I got several old goats in one shot! ;D LOL! That was to easy! You dirty, rotten, dog! I was awake all night trying to delete all of my old posts on the .45's! ;D ;D
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 10, 2009 9:07:59 GMT -5
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Post by SW on Jan 10, 2009 9:35:28 GMT -5
KerryB, mean an IRRELEVANT .45, sorry Steve, I mean an IRRELEVANT 40/45. Boy I like that word IRRELEVANT is a lot like STRATEGERY .
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 10, 2009 10:24:03 GMT -5
SW, Since I wear a XXL tee shirt, maybe I can get STRATEGERY, under IRRELEVENT .45. But that it for new words, I'll be ready for more in 2010
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Post by DBinNY on Jan 10, 2009 11:19:49 GMT -5
Tar, some of these guys are pretty gullible. You didn't fool me for a second ;D.
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Post by SW on Jan 10, 2009 11:48:46 GMT -5
Tar, some of these guys are pretty gullible. You didn't fool me for a second ;D. Tar is just jealous: he'd give his eye teeth for either a 40 or 45 UPGRADE. I could help him on that .
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 10, 2009 12:19:27 GMT -5
With whats about to happen, in DC on the 20th, we hunters, sportsman and lovers of the USA, can use a little lighthearted humor.
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Post by DBinNY on Jan 10, 2009 17:44:33 GMT -5
Tar, some of these guys are pretty gullible. You didn't fool me for a second ;D. Tar is just jealous: he'd give his eye teeth for either a 40 or 45 UPGRADE. I could help him on that . Sure Steve, by why would you give up one of your 40 or 45 cal prized barrels for Tar's eye teeth. Can't think of why you'd want them.
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Post by bigmoose on Jan 10, 2009 18:02:12 GMT -5
DBiNY,
Are you sure SW meant to give up a barrel, or was he talking about pulling teeth ;D
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Post by dougedwards on Jan 10, 2009 18:21:49 GMT -5
I guess I will reitterate what I have said before about the Savage 10ml2. For the type of hunting that I do it just gets the job done. I am telling you that every whitetail that I have put a 300 grain bullet into has gone straight down and stayed there. Since I just don't get the opportunity for 200+ yard shots the looping trajectory isn't a problem. Recoil is only a problem at the range.
It really depends what you want your muzzleloader to do and how much you are willing to spend. I have chosen to have built a custom smokeless front stuffer only because I love to shoot......not because I think it will enhance my ability to harvest whitetails over the 50 cal. I actually hunt with my 10ML all during general firearms season here in Virginia because alot of my hunting is done on a federal facility that does not allow rifles even though the county that they are located do. I never feel at any disadvantage whatsoever with my 50 caliber gun.
Sometimes when I look back at all of the money that I have spent on this addictive hobby of hunting and shooting.....not to mention all the time invested.....I come to the conclusion that I must have lost my mind. For any person who decides to only purchase a stock Savage 10ML2 and only hunt with book loads.....my hat goes out to them. IMO scoping the rifle and time spent shooting it under the conditions that it will be used is much more important and effective than the rifle itself.
Doug
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Post by tar12 on Jan 10, 2009 18:39:39 GMT -5
Tar, some of these guys are pretty gullible. You didn't fool me for a second ;D. Tar is just jealous: he'd give his eye teeth for either a 40 or 45 UPGRADE. I could help him on that . You are not getting any where near me with those eye teeth pliers Doc! ;D
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Post by jims on Jan 10, 2009 18:59:03 GMT -5
Tar 12 I think he would pull those teeth at a discount for you, maybe even save you a bit by not using any pain killer.
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Post by jims on Jan 10, 2009 19:00:37 GMT -5
Tar12: Are you going to make the switch soon to the other (dark) side. I already did, for now I have two sites to check. Good job by the moderators. Thanks
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Post by SW on Jan 10, 2009 19:03:30 GMT -5
Tar is just jealous: he'd give his eye teeth for either a 40 or 45 UPGRADE. I could help him on that . Sure Steve, by why would you give up one of your 40 or 45 cal prized barrels for Tar's eye teeth. Can't think of why you'd want them. I was just going to help him be able to hand them over to someone. I like my 45 barrels. And my 40. Did you know that/
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Post by DBinNY on Jan 10, 2009 19:26:50 GMT -5
Sure Steve, by why would you give up one of your 40 or 45 cal prized barrels for Tar's eye teeth. Can't think of why you'd want them. I was just going to help him be able to hand them over to someone. I like my 45 barrels. And my 40. Did you know that/ Thanks for clearing that up. I have noticed that you have a slight preference for the sub-.50 bores. Almost makes me wish my .50 didn't shoot so good so I'd have an excuse.
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Post by encoreguy on Jan 10, 2009 22:39:11 GMT -5
I am very pleased with my .50 though it is far from a stock savage .50. I enjoy reading everyones posts wither it be about .40, .45, sabotless, saboted or if someone tries a .308 bore. I have learned a lot here and had a great deal of fun (and some frustration) working up loads. I also kind of enjoy when someone brings me a problem child gun and I try to make it shoot wither it be a muzzle loader or center fire. For the money the savage is a great gun, it may take a little more work than a Knight or T/C to get great groups, but we are also pushing a performance envelope here also. New factory Savage shooters welcome you made a good choice, custom Savage or other platform .50, .40 and .45 shooters keep posting results and experiences. I love it all.
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