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Post by brianr on Jul 4, 2004 14:22:55 GMT -5
Has anyone out there compared the two? I priced some clay busters today and 500 for 6.15 sounds alot better than 50 for 4.95 for the sub-bases.
Brian
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Post by edge on Jul 4, 2004 14:41:07 GMT -5
Now you know why so many of us use the 28ga.wads!
The Original sub base was just a sabot with the fingers cut off! That was started by either 1Shot or Toby( though Del may have had a hand in it :-) ).
The ONLY problem with the MMP base wad, other than cost, is the shape MAY tip the bullet carrying sabot because they are connected but not fused. That is why I glue the MMP sub base, but this MAY not be needed.
edge.
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Post by simonkenton on Jul 4, 2004 14:59:20 GMT -5
I tried the wads and they didn't work out.
According to advice from Toby, I got a bag of Winchester wads. I cut them up in the prescribed manner and my groups went to hell.
That bag of wads is still sitting in my closet, and I have an order in now for some of those expensive sub bases.
Most people do real well with the shotgun wads, what can I say?
By the way I have gotten lots of advice from Toby and that is the only piece of his advice that didn't work out.
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Post by edge on Jul 4, 2004 15:07:10 GMT -5
There are lots of variables, adding a sub base is just one!
IF you change ANYTHING, assume that nothing is the same :-)
If you change powder. bullet, sabot, add or change sub base.....Anything, it is NOT the same load!
Also, and very important, this is Summer in most places, and what you will use during thecold Winter MAY NOT work now!
A 3 inch group at 80+ degrees may very likely be a MOA shooter later in the year.
edge.
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Post by brianr on Jul 4, 2004 15:35:25 GMT -5
For the price it's hard not to give them a try.
Are you still using them Edge or have you went on to the sub-bases?
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Post by edge on Jul 4, 2004 15:49:10 GMT -5
I normally use a modified 28 ga. wad.
There is a very good chance that I will be trying some of RBs' loads with the three hole liner with lightweight bulltes.
So far I am still a Lil'Gun fan, with a 28 wad and a 180/200 gr bullet.
edge.
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Post by bubba on Jul 4, 2004 16:15:05 GMT -5
edge,
what 180-200 grain bullet are you refering to and with what powder and sabot - full of questions eh?
thanks!
-bubba
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Post by edge on Jul 4, 2004 16:25:41 GMT -5
180/200 35 caliber and/or Hollow edge bullets :-) Homemade inner sabots,60 grains Lil'Gun. I use the 28 ga. wad in two ways, one is the traditional way with JUST the base cup and also complete wad without the "petals" (photo below) edge.  |
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Post by brianr on Jul 4, 2004 16:29:58 GMT -5
What brand wads are those? The cup really looks good after 60 gr. of lil'gun.
Brian
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Post by edge on Jul 4, 2004 16:43:49 GMT -5
What brand wads are those? The cup really looks good after 60 gr. of lil'gun. Brian I am pretty sure that they are Claybuster, but they could be Winchester. I did use a greased wad UNDER the base wad! I always use a greased card, sometimes under the wad and sometimes between the base and sabot. Doug suggested that UNDER the wad(over the powder) was better, and I think that I agree. edge. |
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Post by SW on Jul 4, 2004 23:00:01 GMT -5
:)I've used both. Before gluing the MMP product the shotgun wad was more accurate: after gluing the accuracy was about the same. The speed is enough lower with the subbases that I just usually(250gSST) load down enough to not need the subbase. I usually use duplex and don't need subbase anyway. 200Shockwave is a different matter. Haven't tried 28ga wad with it but will - use a glued bore button currently -duplex(have no 3 holers). With 250SST I can get 2600+ w/o subbase with duplex and ex accuracy though my normal load is between 2400-2450 and very accurate. I may be incorrect but believe the Cabella's(Wonder Wad substitute) fiber wads soaked in bore butter slightly lessen the stress on the sabot. May be wrong on this.
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Post by BryanSK on Jul 5, 2004 18:23:29 GMT -5
Hmmm...you have me curious edge, what made you try the 28 wads with just the petals cut off...inquiring minds want to know  |
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Post by edge on Jul 5, 2004 21:12:43 GMT -5
Hmmm...you have me curious edge, what made you try the 28 wads with just the petals cut off...inquiring minds want to know This goes back 2 years, I was checking the fit of different sabots, and I loaded a MMP short petal. I was doing this with the breechplug out so that I could just push everything through. At any rate, I pushed the load down and for some reason I held the barrel up to the light and I could see all the way through ONE of the grooves!!!! The short petal sabots have a very large petal seperation, and it happened to line up with one of the grooves. I knew that the 28 ga. wad had a "web" diameter of approx. 0.535 so that there is no chance of a gap. This is NOT a be all and end all wad, but the base of the bullet carrying sabot is all but pristine when you shoot this base wad! I feel that this and most other base wads tend to push the bullet carrying sabot sideways upon exit from the muzzle. edge. |
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Post by brianr on Jul 5, 2004 22:18:42 GMT -5
Are you saying in a round about way is that the way to go is slow powder and no sub-base. It sounds pretty good to me, I don't like using them anyway.
Brian
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