duplex load

[herman]

Well I finally decided to try one of the duplex loads and it looks very promising.According to the load data I should be getting around 2695 fps.I used 10 grs of N110 and 60 grs of IMR 4198.
I had a load of 43.5 grs of IMR 4759 which I was pretty proud of.Didn't clean my savage for 4 range trips now just checking out the 43.5 gr load and every time it was right on the money.This morning I shot one 250 sst with it and it was 1 in high,right where it was susposed to be again.
Then I shot 3 different bullets with the duplex load.one sst,barnes and xtp,was really trying the load out so I used a t/c sabot with all three bullets and a wlrm primer and no sub base.
Going to try more with just one bullet ,will probably the sst because I have a good stock of them yet.To see what groups I get at 100 and 200 yds.These were at 100 yds.

[RBinAR]

;D I remember that load and the developement time. However there is an overstatement of speed somewhere. It shoots about 2575fps rather than 2695fps. However anything over 2550fps has the same ouch effect.

[herman]

Thanks RB.May get to the range in the morning to see how it groups.Really am satisfied with the 4759 load @around 2340 but if this one groups consistently I will go for the exta fps.
I tried one of the loads I saw for the 200 gr sst too but don't know where they went couldn't find where they hit the target board at 100.It was 15 gr 110 and 55 gr 4198 I just used a plain sabot for it too.The time before I tried if I remember correctly 50 grs of n110 and a 28 wad,felt washer and sabot/200 gr sst.It hit the board at 50 yds about a foot apart but the bullets hit tumbling.Think I will save the 200's for the encore it loves them.The encore is just not as much fun to shoot anymore as the savage.

[edge]

I have a question here that goes back to my "bedding question".

Looking at this group, but also other groups in general.
If I assume that there was little or no wind, and the maximum spread is twice as wide as it is high, COULD you infer a possible bedding problem with the recoil lug?

I had not thought of this before I read Cecil Epps Savage review. Since reading it, I have found that the VAST majority of my groups are much wider than they are high, and has resulted in my sudden interest in bedding my rifle.

edge.

[herman]

Edge you are probably right about the bedding.Mine is straight out of the box.Sometimes it will put them in the same hole,sometimes it will spread about 2 inches.I have a savage 223,10fp when I got it it wouldn't group at all,I noticed that when I sit it down in a rest the barrel would drop down in the forearm,asked a gun smith if it would work to put a steel washer between the foreward screw,he said it wouldn't but I did anyhow and have shot 1/2 in groups with it @200 yds.
The first ml 10 I bought wouldn;'t shoot smokless at all no mater what I tried in it,and the first group I shot with this one shot less than a inch.so I am a little hesitent to mess with this one,been thinking about getting a new one to play with too.I shoot once or more a week with regular rifles but I am finding I shoot the ml10 more and more because it is so much fun to shoot.My encore will drive tacks @100 yds with a 200 gr bullet, but if it came down to just keeping one it would be the savage because there are so many different loads you can try in it.

[RBinAR]

;D I'm not in agreement at all with the possibility of a bedding problem. It is possible but this target can't tell you that at all. What must happen is the shooter should move the bullet speed up and down from this point in small increments.

If there seems to be no place the rifle will accept a load without this type of stringing then that is the time to worry about bedding. AXIOM: It is easier to tune the load to the rifle than to tune the rifle to the load.

Many Savages will show greatly improved accuracy by simply accelatering or slowing the bullet 100fps or so.

Now if you happen to not be able to tune it then bed and cuss me on the way. But that's still better than bedding and still having this problem.

[herman]

RB I think, the stringing was because each one of those in the pic is a different bullet.but the same load except the one using the 4759.
Went back this morning and it was allready in the 80's.shot a 3-shot group with the duplex load and 250 sst's and 250 xpt both groups were allmost perfect V's being both 1.913 @100yds .shot a couple @200 but they shot a group of3.923 for the first three,shot one more and it dropped another4.65in lower so I figured it was too hot to shoot and quit.