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Post by 308XP on Jul 7, 2004 8:22:24 GMT -5
As a newby to the 10ML-II I've just begun to work up loads. After reading as much as I could on the net I settled for AA5744 plus a 250 Gr.SST and a Winchester 209 primer. My velocities aren't near what I read others claim to get. I just wanted to check how our loads compare.
41 grains 5744 gets me 1950 FPS
45 grains 5744 gets me 2052 FPS
48 grains 5744 gets me 2157 FPS
The group size is about 2 inches at 100 yards. I take the rifle back inside between shots for cooling as I live in the deep South but my range is in my back yard so it's convienent. I'm using an Oehler Chronograph so I think it's correct. I'm also using a single hole vent liner.
How's this compare with what you guys get?
308XP
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Post by grouse on Jul 7, 2004 9:01:10 GMT -5
Your velocity looks right to me.   |
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Post by 308XP on Jul 7, 2004 13:10:12 GMT -5
Nice group! I pushed to 49 grains and blew the sabot on shot #2. I then started over and used a sub base and the group was nearly 3 inches. At that point I quit.
308XP
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Post by RBinAR on Jul 7, 2004 14:08:49 GMT -5
;D 308 5744 has worked as a sheer accuracy load for many people and I won't discourage you or anyone from using it if that's is the purpose you have in mind. However those velocities you mention are ANEMIC to say the least.
2300+fps with accuracy of 1 1/2" or smaller should be obtainable by almost any 10-ML with the proper load shooting the SST.
With the one hole vent liner N110 or Imr 4759 normally provide a better power accuracy combination for the avarage shooter.
With the three hole liner N120, H322, or XMR-2015 will go fast and accurate with no pain at all. I know this something you don't read in the Savage manual but it's what you will learn with experience.
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Post by Savage Buff on Jul 7, 2004 17:10:27 GMT -5
Grouse, 308XP:
Do you use the sabots that came with the SST package or did you use the smaller MMP sabot?
Buff
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Post by grouse on Jul 7, 2004 20:42:03 GMT -5
Grouse, 308XP: Do you use the sabots that came with the SST package or did you use the smaller MMP sabot? Buff MMP Sabots |
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Post by 308XP on Jul 8, 2004 8:25:03 GMT -5
Grouse:
I've been using the Hornady sabots that come with the bullets. What would be the benefit of changing sabots?
I'm the newby here.
308XP
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Post by RBinAR on Jul 8, 2004 8:51:29 GMT -5
Grouse: What would be the benefit of changing sabots? I'm the newby here. 308XP [/quote]You are a newbie and a welcome one also! GGlad to see you posting. I would not presume to answer for Grouse but would say changing sabots does change load dynamics at times. The short MMP is a favorite of shooters because under many circumsances it offers a very good possibility for accuracy and power. That said the Hornady sabot supplied with the SST is pretty good also. Many shooter have outstanding results without going to another sabot. Assuming a fairly good sabot fit it is a matter of finding the speed your rifle likes. Some think that the speed that is most accurate will probably not be very fast. That's unforunate for many 10-ML show their best accuracy at some speed. The reverse of this is seen with Grouse's target in that some slower loads are VERY accurate. Still I'd report that I've seen more of the 1" or smaller types of results from bullets speeds of 2350 to 2500fps (250 grain SST) than the slower speeds |
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Post by grouse on Jul 8, 2004 10:42:22 GMT -5
You are a newbie and a welcome one also! GGlad to see you posting.
I would not presume to answer for Grouse but would say changing sabots does change load dynamics at times. The short MMP is a favorite of shooters because under many circumsances it offers a very good possibility for accuracy and power.
That said the Hornady sabot supplied with the SST is pretty good also. Many shooter have outstanding results without going to another sabot.
Assuming a fairly good sabot fit it is a matter of finding the speed your rifle likes. Some think that the speed that is most accurate will probably not be very fast. That's unforunate for many 10-ML show their best accuracy at some speed. The reverse of this is seen with Grouse's target in that some slower loads are VERY accurate. Still I'd report that I've seen more of the 1" or smaller types of results from bullets speeds of 2350 to 2500fps (250 grain SST) than the slower speeds RB, I am new with the Savage also. Feel free to give an answer anytime for me. The reason i would buy MMP Sabots with Shockwaves or SST'S. Is because, you dont know what sabot you are getting from them. I do believe you could get two or three different kinds with them right now. Best thing to do with SST'S is throw the Sabots away. This is one of many reasons why i prefer DeadCenter bullets. You will have the same sabot everytime. And they are MMP sabots. As for speed of a bullet, i cannot find one reason to shoot more then 2100 fps at Deer, Elk, or Bear. The group above is okay for some. This is my very slow hunting load below.   |
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Post by Savage Buff on Jul 8, 2004 12:11:34 GMT -5
Grouse,
Those groupings sure don't look like a newbie's trigger finger to me. Great shooting! Have you been successful with the 250 gr. SST's?
Buff
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Post by grouse on Jul 8, 2004 19:00:49 GMT -5
Grouse, Those groupings sure don't look like a newbie's trigger finger to me. Great shooting! Have you been successful with the 250 gr. SST's? Buff Thanks, I am new with the Savage. I seem to like the Shockwaves the best. I just prefer a Lead bullet over Jacketed Bullet. If i was going to use a Jacketed bullet. It would be Shockwaves. The SST'S shoot fine also. Like i said, i would throw the sabots away that come with them. I get alot of good information about The Savage right here. members.aol.com/randymagic/ballltd.htm |
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Post by Loggy on Jul 8, 2004 20:13:32 GMT -5
308XP: My fps are about 5% faster using identical 5744 loads. New to my Chrony so I accept your stats. ;D
I am in full agreement with you on the Hornady sabots. The energy produced with such loads will be a deadly offering in the deer woods. Will be interesting this Fall on how well all our loads will produce in the real world.
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Post by RandyWakeman on Jul 8, 2004 22:07:25 GMT -5
I've had velocities vary by about 100 fps, same load, same chronograph, same day-- from two different 10ML-II's. They are just a rough estimate.
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Post by edge on Jul 8, 2004 22:09:35 GMT -5
Thanks, I am new with the Savage. I seem to like the Shockwaves the best. I just prefer a Lead bullet over Jacketed Bullet. If i was going to use a Jacketed bullet. It would be Shockwaves. SNIP I'm confused! You like the Shockwave the BEST, but you prefer a LEAD bullet. At what velocity do you WANT to shoot? If you are shooting up to 2100 fps, then I won't argue with your choice of using LEAD, but even at that, you are putting tremendous strain on the bullet. Just asking, NOT fighting! ........yet :-) kidding edge. |
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Post by RandyWakeman on Jul 8, 2004 22:14:14 GMT -5
Shockwaves a bit better than the SST's was the intent.
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Post by herman on Jul 9, 2004 7:11:03 GMT -5
Can you explain why you think the shockwave is better than the sst?
Just did a inventory of my whats left out of 500 shockwaves and 10 boxes of ssst's 250 gr.I have 11 sst's left and about half of the box of 500,so that mean that I have shot about 400+ since the 1st of last year,and I have not seen any difference in them.Both measure .452,look the same but the sst tip looks like it may have a little sharper tip than the shockwave.
Curious because I saw this statement on another board but the fellow was shooting them in a reg muzzleloader.
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Post by simonkenton on Jul 9, 2004 7:23:40 GMT -5
I thought they were the same bullet.
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Post by grouse on Jul 9, 2004 8:26:54 GMT -5
I'm confused! You like the Shockwave the BEST, but you prefer a LEAD bullet. At what velocity do you WANT to shoot? If you are shooting up to 2100 fps, then I won't argue with your choice of using LEAD, but even at that, you are putting tremendous strain on the bullet. Just asking, NOT fighting! ........yet :-) kidding edge. Edge, Randy is correct. A usual typing error on my part. I like the Shockwaves a little better then the SST'S. DeadCenters are buy far the best bullets out of all my Muzzleloaders. |
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Post by grouse on Jul 9, 2004 8:28:45 GMT -5
Can you explain why you think the shockwave is better than the sst? Just did a inventory of my whats left out of 500 shockwaves and 10 boxes of ssst's 250 gr.I have 11 sst's left and about half of the box of 500,so that mean that I have shot about 400+ since the 1st of last year,and I have not seen any difference in them.Both measure .452,look the same but the sst tip looks like it may have a little sharper tip than the shockwave. Curious because I saw this statement on another board but the fellow was shooting them in a reg muzzleloader. Shockwaves are easier to load in my gun's. A little more accurate. Better looking bullet to me. |
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Post by edge on Jul 9, 2004 8:33:52 GMT -5
Shockwaves are easier to load in my gun's. A little more accurate. SNIP. Grouse, I am assuming that it may be the "supplied Sabot" that you prefer, and not necessarily the Bullet! edge. |
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Post by logged off Bubba on Jul 9, 2004 9:02:58 GMT -5
Edge, I agree with your assessment.
Are these bullets not the same with different little plastic tips?
-bubba
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Post by RandyWakeman on Jul 9, 2004 10:31:27 GMT -5
The bullets are the same-- made by Hornady.
The sabots are anybody's guess. The SST's out there could be MMP, Harvester, or Hornady mfg. In the future, they will be Hornady mfg. only.
T/C Shockwaves were MMP, then Hornady-- but T/C is now working on their own. Confusing? You betcha.
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Post by grouse on Jul 9, 2004 12:30:42 GMT -5
Grouse, I am assuming that it may be the "supplied Sabot" that you prefer, and not necessarily the Bullet! edge. Edge, I just prefer the Shockwave period. No doubt, to me the Sabot is better in the Shockwaves so far. Saturday i plan on shooting more Shockwaves and SST'S. With original Sabots. And with MMP sabots that i have bought on my own. |
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