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Post by RBinAR on Jul 10, 2004 22:38:30 GMT -5
;D I wanted to have some of the new style sabots shipped this weekend but I can't get it done. I was expecting a parts shipment this week but the delivery company says it won't get to me till Monday.
As soon as they arrive I will send each of you who have expressed interest an e-mail and begin the process of supplying you with a batch.
Of the possibilities I'd like to know how you will shoot them bare saboted or with a sub-base, duplexed or single, for speed, accuracy or combination?
In any event I'm sure I'll learn a lot more from all your experience than I could learn on my own. I'm thanking you all in advance for your help.
Many of you are also concerned about the 180 grain .358 caliber Hornady bullet. It may be of interest to know I have contracted with a local company to provide a device that will allow all of you a chance to try this bullet.
It is too early for me to make a promise of when to expect them but it seems like that could be within the month or in time for hunting season. If so, you on this board will be the first to know.
I am also very busy with the Savage video project. I can't share much if any detail about this project but will say that a video studio that has produced many hunting videos is going to be the lead dog in this effort. I'm hoping for a first of the year release but that hinges on the schdule of about a hundred people at this point.
So there's lots happening and hunting season is only a bit over 2 months away. I don't know how much I'll be able to post here but I'll be around.
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Post by Rifleman on Jul 10, 2004 23:35:45 GMT -5
Most exciting, I am looking forward to seeing the video. And very much looking forward to trying both the 40 and 358. I am gonna work on a 3 hole ventliner and vv n120 per your info on other posts. I did see your recommendations on starting with the 250 gr sst, but I bought this rifle for its max capabilties not mid range. I have 7 other deer guns to fall back on if I dont get it right. I just like tinkerin. Once I get squared away on a 40 cal proj. I am thinking 375 like you posted before.
I want to discover just what is the ultimate performance we can squeeze out of this rifle and I really appreciate all the work you have done,
Rifleman
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Post by simonkenton on Jul 10, 2004 23:59:44 GMT -5
I would like to get some of those sabots you are brewing up.
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Post by RBinAR on Jul 11, 2004 3:31:34 GMT -5
I want to discover just what is the ultimate performance we can squeeze out of this rifle and I really appreciate all the work you have done, Rifleman What do you think it is now? For the ultimate performance sooner or later I'll have to mention the forbidden word that begins with a "d".. With such loads I've shot a 350 grain .458 bullet to 2502fps or 4866fpe, a 250 grain bullet to 2756fps over 4200fpe, and a 200 grain hot cor pistol bullet to 2989fps. None the loads used sub-bases, just bare sabots and were accurate also. I define accurate as averaging 1 3/4" or less for three shots. So how fast do you wanna go? At about 2650fps with a 250 grain bullet or 2400fps with a 350 grain bullet you'd better be immune to the ouch effect. The problem with the 10-ML is not power. rather it is components. It is difficult to shoot components that are useful at the power levels we can produce. For instance the load I mention with the 350 grain bullet is near .458 Winchester levels but unless there's a trip to africa planned why would one want to shoot it? |
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Post by SavageShooters on Jul 11, 2004 3:54:08 GMT -5
Rick, you get the .358 idea worked out I'd be interested in some of those sabots. Still trying to find the idea light bullet setup for varmint hunting. I'm not talking coyote's here either, I want to descimate a groundhog or two with it just for the carnage factor. ;D
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Post by dave d. on Jul 11, 2004 9:33:39 GMT -5
:)rb,i'm intrested drop me a e-mail when you get things ironed out.thanks
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Post by Rifleman on Jul 11, 2004 10:21:42 GMT -5
Duplex Yeah man , I like it.
When I say max or ultimate performance I should be more specific. What I am looking for is max effective range on deer. I could care less for bear and elk bullets as I dont get the opportunity for such noble beasties.
Of course you are right RB the limiting factors are components, but that is a changing factor all the time.
For instance the work RB is doing with sabots is a case in point. Also one of the bullet makers may get their engineers to come out with a bullet that would be better suited. Say a 375 with a bc just under .300, with a little tougher jacket then a sst, a polymer tip spitzer, and a boattail, now this may blow sabots due to printing but maybe the sabots can be modified to hold up. heck there may allready be such a bullet, I have not looked yet. But a bullet such as this may stabilize with the 1-24 twist. it may not at short range but do it at longer range. I have some experience with 50 cal bmg sniper rifles and it is a known fact that some loads need close to 300 yds before they settle down. Doesn't make alot of sense but I have seen it and so have others. Not trying to make a major point here, but more importantly raise a question to get those wheels turning.I certainly am convinced I am dealing with some pretty sharp fellas around here. My experience is not with these type of guns, but I do have a lot of experience in reloading and long range shooting, both as a hobby and in competition. So maybe I have a little different vantage point.
As far as duplex is concerned I don't see the big deal. Powder is fuel, and a fuel mix is sometimes what the engine needs for peak performance. Duplex loads have long been a standard with the boys who shoot 45-70s at the 1000 yd line. As a matter of fact their duplex loads consist of black powder and smokeless, and some of these enterprising lads even shoot triplex loads.
Of course I do not mean we should be reckless in load development, eyes and limbs are too precious. But taking small steps over the long haul can make significant progress. Just look at how far guys like you all have come in 10 years since the savage first came out. Where can we be in another 10? I think asking questions like I pose are the first step in getting there. I am not ready to settle for the 300 yard line when the 600 yard line may be a possibilty. Yeah I know it is the nut behind the gun that makes the difference here but I think I have that base covered. I also know that the flatter the better when the ranges are long, been there and done that with .308 and 30 mags at the 1000 yd line. So that raises the ethical question as to how far do we shoot at live game. I an not interested in that debate, as this argument, like most ethical topics, have multiple viewpoints. I am content to let each individual to work that out for themelves. I know my own limits and stick with them. I am simply trying to work out the limits of the equipment.
Rifleman
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Post by SW on Jul 11, 2004 16:43:26 GMT -5
Rifleman,
I'd get 1 really good load for upcoming deer season(44 or 44.5g V V -110,250SST or V V -110 10g, V V 120 50-60g with no sub base). Then sight in as you desire,like 1" hi at 100yds, then shoot at 50,150,200,250,300yds, get your drops, and then play with the more exotic loads. Note: the loads mentioned were 1-hole ventliner loads. The 250SST will give great ballistics to 300yds,or more, and still have 1200+'/# of energy. My 300 yd gp average with 46gV V-110/250SST off of a good rest is 3-4". That was with a 3X9 Bushnell 3200. Tempted to put on my T-36 Weaver and see how it does. I'd really get familiar with the 10-ML2 with basic loads first.
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Post by edge on Jul 11, 2004 20:30:41 GMT -5
SNIP Say a 375 with a bc just under .300, with a little tougher jacket then a sst, a polymer tip spitzer, and a boattail, SNIP Rifleman, My 35 caliber sabot with a Hornady 200 grain Spire with a B.C. of 0.28+ sounds like what you are talking about!  The upper version seems to work almost as well as my old 3 part sabot! Polymer tip and boat tail are most likely out due to the 1:24 rate of twist, the bullets just get too darn long. edge. |
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