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Post by 153 on Jun 17, 2008 6:36:14 GMT -5
What is the best type in a Savage,crushed rib or plain?
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Post by broomebuck on Jun 17, 2008 7:07:35 GMT -5
RCR with .452 sst and sw work for me in the ss model
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Post by ChrisChampion on Jun 17, 2008 7:26:12 GMT -5
Depends on which bullet you're using and how tight your barrel is. Either the Red Crush Rib or Short Black EZ load (non-crush rib) are for .452 bullets. The RCR will be a much tighter fit than the Black EZ load. The Black Crush Rib works for many with .458 bullets but will likely be too loose for anthing smaller.
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Larry
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Post by Larry on Jun 17, 2008 10:42:55 GMT -5
In my gun, the short black harvester works great when using .452 bullets. This combo has produced my best and most consistent groups. I consider my bore on the tight side.
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Post by tar12 on Jun 17, 2008 11:43:14 GMT -5
Chris,
The BCR is actually designed for a .451-.452 bullet.The RCB was designed for a .451 dia bullet.Thats not to say they will not work with a .452 bullet.They have no .458 sabot per say.A very positive side benefit of the BCR rib is its ability to conform to bullets from .452-.458.I believe that is why fliers are eliminated.
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Post by ChrisChampion on Jun 17, 2008 12:51:43 GMT -5
Tar12 is right. The BCR was designed to be an "easy-loading" sabot for .451-452 bullets in BP and BP-sub shooting guns where back pressure is not as important as it is shooting smokeless. In my gun the BCR drops down the barrel with a .451-452 bullet. I would think that one would have to have an very tight barrel and be using one of the faster (book recommended) powders to get consistent ignition with a BCR and .451-.452 bullet.
Harvesters 50 caliber sabots are:
*Black EZ Load: (no ribs) Designed for .451-.452 bullets, come in two lengths but the short one will cover most applications up to 300gr bullets.
*Black Crush Rib: Designed as easy load offering for .451-452 bullets but are also the sabot of choice for many with .458 bullets due to their tight, consistent fit.
*Red Crush Rib: Designed as a smokeless sabot. Reported to offer a tighter fit with .451-452 bullets.
I think Harvester makes the best sabots available. They seem to be a little tougher, a little more heat resistent, and are also a little cheaper then MMP sabots..
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Post by rossman40 on Jun 17, 2008 14:11:22 GMT -5
The way I understand it from when I talked with Bill MacTavish (the designer of the crush rib) and Steve Kuhlenbeck (then president of C&D) a few years ago, the mold used for the red crush ribs was actually the first one made. After the first run it was found that with .452 bullets it was too tight with most MLs so another mold was made which the black crush ribs are made with today. The red (I'm pretty sure he said the first run was even done in red plastic) crush ribs sat in the back of the shop and when I told Bill the bore dimensions of my Savage he offered to send me some to test but he never did. Then there was the change from C & D Special Products to J-Ron which shook up the marketing staff. I would like to think that they found the red crush ribs collecting dust and Bill remembered our conversation.
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Post by tar12 on Jun 17, 2008 15:12:50 GMT -5
Chris,
That was my understanding after talking to them today on the phone.It was my understanding that the RCR was made specifically for the Savage shooter who was having ignition problems with .451 dia bullets.Maybe this was a after thought to market them to the Savage shooter,at any rate I am glad we have them!
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mikec
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Post by mikec on Jun 17, 2008 18:02:30 GMT -5
I shot last year with the Parker BE bullet (.4503 I think) and the MMP HPH12 and it worked fine, but had some fliers and a few misfires. Between now and then this group has edumactaed me and I realized that the sabot was causing my problems. The MMPs were not consistent, a slightly loose one might be a flier, a very loose one was a misfire. I learned I could call the flyer or misfire based on how tight it was to load the bullet/sabot.
I Tried the harvestor black crush rib and it was way too loose. The Red CR wound up being perfect. It also has been consistent load pressure every time, no variance. No fliers now and the Chrony is within 20FPS every shot.
I am shooting a very hot load however, and the the Red CR melt at every shot. I put an MMP sub base below it and that works perfect. However the MMP base is melted just like the Red CR would be, so I think both sabots are close to being able to handle the same pressures before failure.
Mike
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Post by floyd on Jun 21, 2008 20:08:16 GMT -5
How do you obtain a red CR sabot? They don't indicate one on their website and the distributors also don't mention "Red" in any of the sabots they have listed. I have also found the black CR sabot to be way to loose.
Thanks.
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Post by DW on Jun 21, 2008 20:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by floyd on Jun 27, 2008 18:46:26 GMT -5
Thanks I found it now, the Claybusters threw me off. Unfortunately they don't have any in stock right now. I'll just have to wait.
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Post by floyd on Jul 5, 2008 10:24:51 GMT -5
Harvester incidated that they are going to start telling directly to the public when the update their website. Not sure how long that is going to take but it would make getting the harder to obtain sabots easier.
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Post by rossman40 on Jul 5, 2008 11:12:29 GMT -5
Hopefully they will put all their sabots for sell. The ones you do not see are the .50/.458 that they made for SMI and the .50/.475 that they make which I have only seen at Cabelas and mail order thru Hawk.
If you want to talk with the guys from Harvester/Claybuster I suggest going to the ATA Grand American in Sparta, Ill. Bill MacTavish is a big trapshooter and they usually have a booth setup for sales and passing out samples. Most of the big names in shooting have booths set up with factory reps and it is a good source of intel.
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Post by DW on Jul 5, 2008 11:37:17 GMT -5
They are supposed to be bringing out a 50/40 sabot, not sure if it will hold up to the pressures we shoot though.
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Post by chuck41 on Jul 5, 2008 12:03:57 GMT -5
They are supposed to be bringing out a 50/40 sabot, not sure if it will hold up to the pressures we shoot though. Great. Now if they will just make a 40/357 sabot for SW and I. |
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mikec
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Post by mikec on Jul 5, 2008 15:48:07 GMT -5
Harvester incidated that they are going to start telling directly to the public when the update their website. Not sure how long that is going to take but it would make getting the harder to obtain sabots easier. I called Harvestor directly and they were great. They sent me 10 Sabots as a sample, no charge. I shot them and liked them. I called and placed an order for 6 boxes of 50 and I had them in two days. 1st rate company. |
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Post by bowbender6 on Jul 5, 2008 15:59:41 GMT -5
I called them a couple of days ago about the .50/.40 sabot and they are making it but it has not gone to market . He said he would call me in a couple of weeks if I left him a number whenthey are available.
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Post by rangeball on Jan 8, 2009 14:37:39 GMT -5
Did Harvester ever bring the .50/.40 sabot to market? Where are you guys getting them?
How are they shooting? What load, bullet and fps?
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petev
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Post by petev on Jan 8, 2009 17:59:25 GMT -5
What is the best type in a Savage,crushed rib or plain? I can't believe that in answer to this question, all of the replies have emphasized the CR sabots, and none for the MMP sabots. With my rifle the black CR loads way too tight, and the orange MMP loads just right (with Hornaday HP 300 gr.), and those folks are great to deal with as well. They sell right from their store. There are many posts in the past that say basically this same thing- the harvestor or MMP sabots are both good, just use what fits best in your barrel, and holds up well with the load you're using. I chose sabots by reviewing past posts. I have a box of BCR sitting on the shelf. |
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