Savage accutrigger sucks

[ufosa]

Whoever thought of the accutrigger at Savage wasn't a hunter or shooter. I had 4 out of 9 sight-in shots just go click instead of boom It seems that you have to pull the accu gizmo straight back or the gun just goes click and doesn't fire. Great, I just wasted $800 on a gun I can't be sure will fire when I need it to. Instead of just making an adjustable poundage trigger they designed this atrocity. I'M NOT HAPPY..!!!! And I'm sure Savage has heard from a bunch of ticked off hunters...!!!! I'm going to take it back to Westfield and demand they do something to make me happy. If anyone has a solution they may e-mail me at [e-mail] THANKS....RICHARD....

[wilmsmeyer]

I completely understand. I sure didn't need a special trigger to learn how to squeeze. I know I am in the minority here it seems.

The accu-trigger is exceptionally safe in the way it is designed. However, I've never felt un-safe with "normal" triggers. As for a hunting arm, the gun needs to go bang when you pull, squeeze or slap the trigger. There are times when you can not analyze or "properly" pull the trigger back. This is not news to hunters.

This trigger should have been called the safety trigger as it does nothing for me to improve my accuracy. I own a normal and accu trigger MLII. There is no doubt which one I want to hunt with.

[jims]

I prefer the non-accutrigger also but I then altered them with SSS kits. Again personal preference, liabilty issues may have created the accu.

[DW]

I think Rifle Basix makes a trigger for the Savage also, some of these other guys will know for sure.

[petev]

You can easily take off the safety blade of the accutrigger, which eliminates that little step when shooting at game. I know some will say that that voids the guarrantee or whatever, but I frankly find it embarrassing that our country has become so litigation prone and soft that we need a safety on the trigger in addition to a 3-way safety.The accutrigger is a very good trigger, aside from having that little safety blade sticking out of it IMO. My advice to those considering buying the Sav. MLII is that it can become a very good rifle, but it is not ready to use out of the box with the instructions provided. But, this website makes the transition from confusion to having a great rifle possible.

[RAF]

Sorry to differ but I like the accu trigger. Wish I had one on my ML. Have it on another rifle and it works great. For those who also play with hand guns. Anyone look at a Glock lately. Same sort of trigger. Maybe it's just me but I never had a problem with either.

[wilmsmeyer]

RAF,

Would you be interested in a trigger swap? I have an accu-trigger on the gun (MLII) I bought from Ozark. I would trade you even steven. PM me if interested. Thanks.

[ozark]

I have the accu-trigger on my Savage .243 and one was on the MLII I sold to Wilmsmeyer. Personally, I love that trigger and never had an issue with it. I use the padded part of my trigger finger between the fingertip and the first joint to push straight back on all triggers. I was taught that was the correct method to avoid pulling wood or pressing to the side disturbing accuracy. I also like the increased safety feature that the trigger brings to the rifle.
Most over the counter rifles have triggers that I simply have to rework before using. Now, I have done many trigger jobs that resulted in a clean break and permitted me and others to shoot well. But IMO Savage found the solution to laywer triggers that required the strength of a giant to fire. Also, I dislike triggers which have overtravel. Meaning continued travel after the firing pin is released. But to each their own. There are several aftermarket triggers that can be installed which puts the normal factory trigger to shame. Just one opinion. Ozark

[ufosa]

Thanks for your input, guys. I see I'm not the only one that thinks it stinks. I've never had a
'safety' issue with any rifle or shotgun I've owned and I've had a bunch. I understand what you're saying, Ozark, about pulling a trigger straight back. That's all well and good for targets but NOT hunting. Try pulling a trigger straight back with bulky winter gloves on while a nice buck is trotting past. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT...!!!! I'm going to remove the d**ned thing and not worry about the warrantee. The idea of an adjustable (poundage) trigger is wonderful, I like about 4 and a half pounds on a hunting rifle. My bull barrelled Rem 700 .308 sillouette rifle
is about 2 and a quarter pounds. Nickel sized groups at 100 yds. quarter sized at 200, nice..!!!
It's just too heavy to hunt with though at 10 pounds. Thanks again...Richard

[RAF]

Oct 10, 2008 4:17:45 GMT -5 wilmsmeyer said:

RAF,

Would you be interested in a trigger swap? I have an accu-trigger on the gun (MLII) I bought from Ozark. I would trade you even steven. PM me if interested. Thanks.

I would love to do that but 2 problems. As far as I know I can't put one on my pre-accu trigger ML without a lot of work that I know I'm not capable of doing. The 2nd problem is getting rifle parts in and out of this country. I know it can be done but IMO the hassle isn't worth it. Now if you live down the street

[youp50]

I have an older ML2, I like the open muzzle and the trigger is usable. I have a newer model 11 something or other with an accutrigger, at first I did not think much of it, I dry fired it quite a bit and am used to it and actually like it.

I know that pulling the 'main' trigger before that little middle trigger is pulled will get you in a situation where you will need to cycle the action to reset the trigger. I guess my style on the trigger does not do that.

I will commend Savage for thinking better trigger and then producing one. If you do not like it, at least appreciate that other firearms manufacturers are now working to improve their triggers. There is little doubt that several years ago most mass produced rifle triggers sucked

[RAF]

Until recently I have never bought a rifle that the trigger didn't need work. Last year I bought a Tikka in 300 WSM and it was good right out of the box. Adjusted the weight of pulled slightly and good to go. Since then bought a Savage 17HMR with the accu trigger and it's great.

[tar12]

I much prefer the accu-trigger.Zero problems in cold weather wearing gloves.I have heard of people having issue with it.I tried to duplicate the"click" scenario and found that you had to be extremely sloppy to create this situation.One other thing to consider is that you can set it to light creating this condition.

[ufosa]

The trigger on my piece is set VERY light, almost a hair trigger. Once I find the right allen key(it's a metric #4 Savage tells me)I'll set the trigger at a hunting weight about 41/2 lbs. and see if the click no boom problem goes away. If not I'll remove the device, I never needed anything like that to hit what I was aiming at. It has just wasted my time and energy....
As far as being 'sloppy', 1/2 to 3/4 min of angle groups don't just happen.

Thanks for your input, Richard....

[wilmsmeyer]

ufosa,

Your point about small groups don't just happen, sums up things. Maybe there are some "sloppy" fingars out there. I'm fairly sure that my fingar isn't.

If a person likes their accu-trigger I'm happy for them. To say it added accuracy to a persons shooting IMO is a stretch. I wonder if anyone on the bench rest rifle circuit has tried to switch to these triggers?

This design is both innovative and very safe. Both good things. However, I still stand by my contention made way back, on this forum, that this trigger is better labeled as a "saftey trigger"

I hope that my comments are not taken as a slam by anyone as this is not my intention. I simply think that the product is mis-marketed. Extra safeties are great. Chances of sloppy trigger use is also great during a combat situation in close quarters on an alert deer that gives you 2 seconds to make a shot while your body is twisted, hunched and quivering from the cold. I personally like the "no-frills" type of trigger that breaks when it's squeezed, pulled or yanked. For safety, I'm confident with normal safe habits. Carrying a capped ML with the safety on...un-capping a ML when hoisting it up a tow rope or lowering it on a tow rope. Uncapping when in a vehicle or dwelling. Etc etc.

Please don't avoid getting an accu-trigger on my account....this is just one persons opinion...and reasons for the opinion. Make up your own mind. ;D

[youp50]

Some of the old Savage triggers were nothing short of junk. I have a friend that got a 270 for his wife. It is an all around poor fit. She is too slight of frame for the gun. It is a package gun, with the attending scope that is not too good. What stands out to me is the absolute poor creep and over travel of the trigger. Probably breaks at around nine pounds on top of that.

On the other hand, my old ml has a serviceable trigger.

I don't have a bunch of pre accutrigger Savages around, but it is an improvement over some of the older rifles. In our 'sue them all' society it is a ground breaking trigger design. Most folks that try my accutrigger model look at it with raised eyebrows.

To me, it needed some getting used to. In agreement with others, I would prefer a light clean trigger as standard fare. Timney and Basix make a living from guys like us that want a good trigger and will pay for it. Savage makes a low end mass produced rifle with an innovative trigger.

Marlin has also a new trigger, it looks like the Savage triger and is not supposed to give you the 'click ....I need to recock' syndrome.

[whyohe]

i have a pre accutrigger and an accutrigger MLII. the pre trigger is stiff. i like the accutrigger cause it is lighter and breakes cleaner. now ive shot the extreemes of triggers, example ive shot a old military mauser with a ton of creep and a 10 lbs pull. and im not real accurate with it because of that. now with the lighter trigger i do better cause i dont have to pull the trigger so hard that it effects how i hold the gun. instead of a firm grip i have to "grab"/ death grip the gun.but with a light trigger i can have my firm grip and consistant shooting hold and trigger pull to where i feel i cant get that as much with a "tough "trigger.

beleave it or not when i have that deer or buck in front of me i shoot the same way, i keep my self calm so i can make the shot count and i shoot the same way as i do on the bench. its not easy to do but i had to train my self to do it.

i see how it can help but if you dont like it cause your not use to it or its not for you, you shoot what feels good to you. we are all different and prefer different things.

[ufosa]

Mr Wilmsmeyer, I totally agree that the Accu-trigger was mis-marketed. Safety trigger would have been a better word for it because that's exactly what it is. I have an old Savage 99-E in .250/3000(lever action).. I shot m.o.a. groups with that with a trigger that had more creep than you would believe, about 1/4 inch. from a righty bench, (uncomfortable at best)at Brookhaven Rifle range in the mid sixties. I still whack chucks with it at 250 to 300 yds.
routinely with factory 55gr. hollowpoints. Can't find those anymore, only have two left. That .250 has gotten me more venison than you can shake a stick at. Virtually all were head shots at 80yds or so with 100gr. softpoints. I bought this new Savage in .308 to feel a bit better about taking a bear if one should present itself. I passed up a rather long shot for the .250(180yds.) at a big one last season. I won't hesitate this year with the .308.
I just realized that bow season has started already. I've been so busy that I haven't even thought about it. Time to check the zero and get some venison for jerky, backstraps too, mmmmmmm..!!!
All The Best, Richard...

[ufosa]

Well, I yanked the accu-trigger gizmo off the gun. It was as easy as removing the stock from the action, popping off the c-clip and pulling a pivot pin. The spring needed some persuading though, as it's glued in. I dialed in a few turns (3) of preload on the trigger spring to give it about 51/2 lbs... It is perfect now, clean and crisp and goes bang when I want it to. I'm glad they made it so easy to remove.
I'm looking for an inexpensive stainless steel break open ML. Can anyone recomend one???

[ufosa]

Well, I yanked the accu-trigger gizmo off the gun. It was as easy as removing the stock from the action, popping off the c-clip and pulling a pivot pin. The spring needed some persuading though, as it's glued in. I dialed in a few turns (3) of preload on the trigger spring to give it about 51/2 lbs... It is perfect now, clean and crisp and goes bang when I want it to. I'm glad they made it so easy to remove.
I'm looking for an inexpensive stainless steel break open ML. Can anyone recomend one???

[ozark]

I stutter a lot on the computer also. Ozark

[tar12]

Oct 24, 2008 8:31:30 GMT -5 ozark said:

I stutter a lot on the computer also. Ozark

;D ;D