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Post by noregrets on Jan 1, 2009 14:03:53 GMT -5
Hello All,
I have been lurking here, looking at the mostly informative posts. I am mostly a deer hunter but am preparing to move to Alaska in 3 years or less. (I have been upgrading and thinning the herd on my long guns as a result of the preparations.) I spent 3 weeks there at the beginning of September and am going back next fall.
I have been hunting with a T/C Renegade for 20 years but I would like an inline.
So the question is why should I go with the Savage as opposed to buying a New Ultra light arms? The Savage seems to be very heavy for its modern style, and every thing I have read here indicates that I probably will not be happy with the accuracy until I change the barrel out. The Ultra light arms is probably accurate as it comes from the smith. as all of his guns are. It is also very light. (recoil is not a problem - Slug guns were the norm here until 2 years ago.)
Can someone here tell me more about the New Ultra Light Arms Muzzle loader or another Modern frontstuffer that uses smokeless? - I was really not interested in the Bad Bulls due to the hefty price tag.
Thanks,
R
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Post by esmd on Jan 1, 2009 15:56:20 GMT -5
The Savage is a heavier gun, but don't think that you have to rebarrel it to get good accuracy. There's plenty of stock barreled .50's on here that will shoot MOA and below. Mine will shoot to about 1.5" at 100 yds, and is right at 2" at 200. Nothing wrong with that, IMO.
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Post by DW on Jan 1, 2009 16:29:29 GMT -5
The Savage is a heavier gun, but don't think that you have to rebarrel it to get good accuracy. There's plenty of stock barreled .50's on here that will shoot MOA and below. Mine will shoot to about 1.5" at 100 yds, and is right at 2" at 200. Nothing wrong with that, IMO. I second his opinion, mine will outshoot my custom .45 with saboted loads on nearly any given day. The NULA is a fine gun and might be a better option if you are a still hunter because of the weight differential, not sure I would want one if you plan on shooting high velocity, high recoiling loads though. Swinglock might be an option worth looking into. www.swinglock.net/ |
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Post by noregrets on Jan 1, 2009 18:11:35 GMT -5
Thank You for the responses, Looking forward to reading more.
ESMD if I knew I could get that kind of accuracy I would get a Savage no question. But I have read to many posts that say they are getting 4 or 5 moa and I know I would not be happy with that.
DW off to look at the Swinglock guns.
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Post by esmd on Jan 1, 2009 20:27:58 GMT -5
I think a lot of those posts are from folks that have initial issues with the gun (wrong bullet/sabot, the front scope base/recoil lug issue, etc). Once they get them straight, I think any stock Savage is capable of at least a 2" group at 100 yards. It's just a matter of finding the right combination of powder, bullet, and sabot.
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Post by mshm99 on Jan 2, 2009 12:22:23 GMT -5
I have said before that I have bought and sold off a pick-up load of inlines,and was never satisfied until I got my MLII in 2002. Of the 4 of I personally know of, all shoot 1.5" Center to center with the right powder,bullet and sabot. The guy behind the gun needs to do his part. I have a tupperware stock that I bedded. I'm not sure it made a big difference in accuracy. It shot good before. I personally have taken many deer from 235 (lasered) yds on in. 125 yds is a chip shot.My hunting buddy has several at two hundred plus. Guys that want the pac nor barrels want that little extra edge ,which I confess temps me. Some who bought MLII's that did not shoot sent them back to the factory and were made right. In answer to the heavy part, get a good sling.I prefer vero vellini. The NULA's owners have had a mixed bag reports.Some loved ,some hated,all said it was overpriced.
Just my opinion
mshm
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Post by noregrets on Jan 2, 2009 16:32:35 GMT -5
Thank You for the Information so far. Can you tell me where to find the info on the NULA owners that hated it I would be interested in reading the problems they had with it. The weight of it intrigues me.
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Post by DW on Jan 2, 2009 18:29:53 GMT -5
Your best bet is to post on the smokeless forum below this one, more people read it almost guaranteed. Should get some good feedback there.
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Post by mshm99 on Jan 3, 2009 14:34:09 GMT -5
GO to dougva.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=SavageFind Search, click,type in NULA, 100 results. You'll see every place it was mentoned. A thought regarding weight. I bought a 45-70 govt barrel for my T/C contender. Scoped out it weighed a hair over six pounds. I loaded 300 gr rems to around 2300 fps ,according to the book. This weapon produced some of the most brutal recoil I have experienced in memory.I fired it three times and sent it back to T/C for porting abought a simms pad. If you think a MLII rocks you at 10 pounds, I'd bet it will loosen your teeth at 6 pounds. mshm |
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Post by grouse on Jan 4, 2009 0:11:07 GMT -5
I would take a look at alot of different Muzzleloaders now with the new Blackhorn 209 powder. You treat this powder pretty much like smokeless even though it's a Black powder substitute. I dont think its fair to compare a Savage to a NULA. A factory gun against a custom gun. The truth is, there is no comparison. I have owned atleast four savages and a HB savage. The HB Savage was pretty close, but still not a NULA. People have had there complaints about NULA'S. Delivery time, breech plugs not right, and some other odds and ends. At the end of the day, Melvin at NULA makes it right and it is in a class by itself. Order now if you want to hunt with it this year. The Savage is a great factory gun. Sure it needs tweeked out of the box but thats okay to. The main thing to change is the breech plug. The ventliners are horrible in my opinion. I would replace the vents with a custom sleeve at first. Then ad a third pillar to the barrel to keep everything solid and more accurate after tearing down and cleaning. That was a feature on the HB Savage. A bedding job is nice, but like stated earlier the gun just get heavier. For stand hunting who cares. For the money, the savage is hard to beat. Money doesnt matter, get the NULA. All heck, get then both and compare for yourself.  |
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Post by art338wm on Jan 4, 2009 0:45:56 GMT -5
I am compelled to second Grouses statement that in all fairness you simply can not compair a $1300 custom ML to a $500- $600 factory ML. I have a Encore 209x50 and a 10ML-II in stainless laminated stock. I have 2000+ shots out of the Encore and 300+ out of my 10ML-II. I must tell you ther is simply no comparison. The 10ML-II blows my Encore away.
I will also tell you from simply a mechanicle functining standpoint, anyone would be hard pressed to justify the NULA 2x+ cost compaired to the 10ML-II. When I bough mine I spent $530 plus $230 for a gunsmith to install a third pillar, glass bed the action, modify and install my scope bases, smooth my bore with JBs, as well as test fire it to confirm its accuracy. With return S&H it brought my total ML cost to a little under $800. A long way from $1300 and my accuracy is on par or exceeds with any ML you care to name.
I do not understand how anyone can compair in all fairness a firearm that costs 2x more than the one it is being compaired to. You simply can not. The NULA costs 2x more and in all fairness it should be a better ML than the 10ML-II, otherwise why soend the $$$ on it. I have no problem if a ML costing 2x more than mine out performs my ML, but interms of accuracy I do not think the NULA ML does. Just my opinion.
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Post by noregrets on Jan 4, 2009 16:46:03 GMT -5
Based on what I am reading here I am willing to give the Savage a try.
Now if someone can tell me where to find a $500 dollar one as the Savage literature states they start at $660 for the base model.
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Post by DW on Jan 4, 2009 17:13:42 GMT -5
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Post by grouse on Jan 4, 2009 17:30:34 GMT -5
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Post by mshm99 on Jan 4, 2009 21:47:09 GMT -5
I sure you won't regret it. Be sure to let us know how your coming along on the Savage board,and read the tips and hints there before you get started. It will answer most of your questions before you know what to ask.
Please don't scrimp on the scope. That, you will regret.
mshm
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Post by noregrets on Jan 4, 2009 22:01:40 GMT -5
Leupold Vari X 3 glass on most of my rifles with a lonely Nikon on one 06. Guess I will have to try the VX-3 this time around.
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Post by mshm99 on Jan 5, 2009 10:45:23 GMT -5
Excellent choice ,IMO.
mshm
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