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Post by northny on Mar 5, 2007 17:37:57 GMT -5
Soon as I figure out how to post an image, I will add one. For Vials I ordered 1 dram glass vials and caps (15mm x 45 mm) from ebay (seller tajperfumes). $15 for vials, $7 for priority mail, for 144 vials and caps. 44 gn Accurate 4457 fills about 66% of volume. Mouth of vial fits inside of barrel, but vials will not fit inside. Vials also fits into TC reload carrier (replaces plastic vials). I replace two plastic tubes with vials of powder, the third plastic tube I cut to hold two or three bullet/ sabot combination. Vials fit loosely into 20 gauge plastic shell boxes. TC carrier also holds 4 primers.
Just my solution
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Post by edge on Mar 5, 2007 18:46:19 GMT -5
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Post by curtrohhntr on Mar 5, 2007 18:57:55 GMT -5
I would rethink your choice for vials, Glass is a big NO NO for storing or carrying powder especially black powder or any of its subs. It creates a lot of static electricity and is also an excellent conductor.If will read any of the info on bp or subs theyll tell you DO NOT use glass containers of any kind! May not be that important with smokeless because it needs compression to burn but bp and subs do not, they will burn just as fast compressed as not. Believe me you do not want a glass container with 100 grs. 777 blowing up in your hand when you start to pour it down the barrel or at any other time for that matter. Im sure others here can shed more light on this subject than me but I would not use them for smokeless or bp.
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Post by KerryB on Mar 5, 2007 21:35:32 GMT -5
I would rethink your choice for vials, Glass is a big NO NO for storing or carrying powder especially black powder or any of its subs. It creates a lot of static electricity and is also an excellent conductor.If will read any of the info on bp or subs theyll tell you DO NOT use glass containers of any kind! May not be that important with smokeless because it needs compression to burn but bp and subs do not, they will burn just as fast compressed as not. Believe me you do not want a glass container with 100 grs. 777 blowing up in your hand when you start to pour it down the barrel or at any other time for that matter. Im sure others here can shed more light on this subject than me but I would not use them for smokeless or bp. Many plastics are affected by static electricity as well. There are some special plastic vials that are used for scientific purposes that are either made of or treated with a static reducing formula. I saw some recently on the net, but will have to find the link when i get off duty tomorrow. Not sure what you mean by, "smokeless needs compression to burn but bp and subs do not, they will burn just as fast compressed as not"? All powders will burn whether compressed or not. They all just burn a lot faster when in a confined space (more of an explosion). I know i don't want any container with 100 grains or any other amount of any powder blowing up in my hand. Many guys here use glass vials and many use plastic. A few even use brass rifle casings and i'm sure a few other items to carry their powder. I have never heard of anyone having a vial blow up on them, no matter what it was made of. I am however willing to look at all evidence of possible unsafe conditions. Please enlighten us with the evidence so we can make an informed decision. TIA and kind regards, KerryB |
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Post by KerryB on Mar 5, 2007 22:02:56 GMT -5
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Post by esmd on Mar 6, 2007 9:30:21 GMT -5
I just use 7mm Mag brass, with valve stem caps. They work great.
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Post by edge on Mar 6, 2007 9:59:41 GMT -5
I have both plastic and glass. I prefer the glass.
The glass uses a stopper which will blow off pretty easily, and the plastic has screw on caps.
When you order off of Ebay, you need to be careful of which Dram they use in their description. One is twice the volume of the other.
edge.
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Post by KerryB on Mar 6, 2007 12:02:30 GMT -5
I have both plastic and glass. I prefer the glass. The glass uses a stopper which will blow off pretty easily, and the plastic has screw on caps. When you order off of Ebay, you need to be careful of which Dram they use in their description. One is twice the volume of the other. edge. I have used the plastic variety and just recently got out a few vials that still had some powder left in them from back last summer. To my surprise, i couldn't shake the powder out of them. So much static electricity had built up in them that i couldn't pour the powder out and had to actually use my knife blade to scrape the powder out. I never did get all the grains out. I have been planning on buying 100 glass vials with the screw on lids although i will probably go with the stoppered variety based on edge's post . I want to be able to see the powder in the vial without shaking it to see if it is full. Otherwise, i would probably go with the brass casings. I think i remember the 2 dram size being correct for my needs. |
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Post by edge on Mar 6, 2007 13:57:04 GMT -5
IMO, 1Dram = 3.55 Ml or cc That should be about 48 grains of 4198 I say that you need 2 Dram containers, but folks keep buying 1 Dram containers and say that the powder fits fine. You are on your own  edge. |
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Post by curtrohhntr on Mar 6, 2007 20:29:51 GMT -5
Kerry B , Let me try to explain my post as best I can. For the past 20 yrs. Ive worked with glass, plastic,and metal containers from 1/2 oz. to 55 gals. Filling them with about any kind of dry or wet powder, chemical ,or product you can think of. Highly flammable liquids such as methanol alcohol acetone,trichlorethane ECT ECT. Static electricity is a big concern because of the flammability or potential for explosion. All the containers that are filled with flammable products must go though a static discharger to get rid of the static charge before they are filled. Static gling and static discharge are two different things. You wont see the static cling as much in a glass container but it will discharge (spark) a lot easier than the plastic. when touched by another object. I have witnessed 3 very costly and life threatening fires due to static discharge from glass and plastic containers. As far as powder needing compression to burn, Maybe I should of worded that differently. Smokeless needs to build back pressure to burn as you already know. We build that back pressure by containing it in the barrel and putting weight on top of to make it build that pressure into an explosion to push out the bullet at a high rate of speed. Without the weight pretty much nothing will happen when you light the wick. Bp and subs will burn pretty aggressively without that weight. Pour 100 grs. triple seven down the barrel put a cloth patch on top of it and light it and youll get a pretty good bangout of it. But then you know that also. Now if you are using a glass container (vial) and you go to pour the powder in the barrel and get a static spark, ignighting the powder in the vial and it burns fast enough to build enough pressure inside (bp and subs will) to rupture or burst that glass container, your are going to have a lot of little razor blades running around.The plastic container will expand burn or melt and release that pressure far easier and with less nasty results than the glass. We wear seat belts in our vehicles everyday just in case. Which would you rather have hold of if it happens.I could give i ncident of me and friend 3 yrs ago. but this is way to long already. This is my opinion based on my experiences and explained best I can And Im not very good at that. Thanks to everyone!!
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Post by KerryB on Mar 6, 2007 22:42:38 GMT -5
Smokeless needs to build back pressure to burn as you already know. We build that back pressure by containing it in the barrel and putting weight on top of to make it build that pressure into an explosion to push out the bullet at a high rate of speed. Without the weight pretty much nothing will happen when you light the wick. Now if you are using a glass container (vial) and you go to pour the powder in the barrel and get a static spark, ignighting the powder in the vial and it burns fast enough to build enough pressure inside (bp and subs will) to rupture or burst that glass container, your are going to have a lot of little razor blades running around.The plastic container will expand burn or melt and release that pressure far easier and with less nasty results than the glass. We wear seat belts in our vehicles everyday just in case. Which would you rather have hold of if it happens.I could give i ncident of me and friend 3 yrs ago. but this is way to long already. This is my opinion based on my experiences and explained best I can And Im not very good at that. Thanks to everyone!! Well, we have to remember that we are here at the Savage Muzzleloading Board, so we are probably talking smokeless powders in this venue. As you have already pointed out......smokeless doesn't do much without compression. Now lets move along to your description of pouring this smokeless powder down the muzzle out of a glass vial where you get a spark. Nowhere is there any compression or restriction of the powder at all. The muzzle is open......the vial of powder is open.......no boom! I have been a reloader for close to 40 years as well as a muzzleloader shooter with BP and subs for almost that long. I always have safety in mind when i am around guns and i gotta say i feel safe with glass vials and smokeless. Nuff said.........KerryB |
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Post by ozark on Mar 6, 2007 23:28:53 GMT -5
I use sheets made to be put in washing machines to wipe down the containers to remove static electicity. Cling free I believe is the name. Works real nice on plastic. I don't use glass.
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Post by wildman on Mar 7, 2007 2:11:58 GMT -5
i'm with ozark on this one.
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Post by KerryB on Mar 7, 2007 7:47:44 GMT -5
i'm with ozark on this one. Don't start agreeing with ozark! He gets a fat head easily! KerryB |
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