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Jul 10, 2005 16:40:03 GMT -5
Post by tjo on Jul 10, 2005 16:40:03 GMT -5
Ok guys I'm a Savage shooter but want/need to get a traditional ML. I use to have a TC Hawkins don't anymore so I've hunted with them before. Question is since I'm buying one and not letting money be to big of a factor any recommendations? I want something that's very accurate, do I shoot bullets or round balls? The rules are must be side lock, #11 cap or musket cap, no scope it can be .45 cal or better or more primitive. Whatcha all think. Thanks Tom
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Jul 10, 2005 17:03:58 GMT -5
Post by roundball on Jul 10, 2005 17:03:58 GMT -5
Ok guys I'm a Savage shooter but want/need to get a traditional ML. I use to have a TC Hawkins don't anymore so I've hunted with them before. Question is since I'm buying one and not letting money be to big of a factor any recommendations? I want something that's very accurate, do I shoot bullets or round balls? The rules are must be side lock, #11 cap or musket cap, no scope it can be .45 cal or better or more primitive. Whatcha all think. Thanks Tom You didn't mention what you'll be doing with it, but a .50 or. 54cal TC Hawken is pretty hard to beat...they happen to be all I use...good quality, dependable, accurate, and a lifetime warranty second to none.
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Jul 11, 2005 4:53:07 GMT -5
Post by Douglas Blair on Jul 11, 2005 4:53:07 GMT -5
tjo, The .45 all the way through the .54 will get the job done on a white tail with proper bullet placement if the range isn't too long. Round ball or bullet? That depends on which you and your gun likes best. If shooting round ball I'd stay with the .50 or .54 if the range is going to be further than say 50 yards.
The T/C Hawken is a fine gun which you simply can't go wrong with.
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Jul 17, 2005 20:23:26 GMT -5
Post by flinter on Jul 17, 2005 20:23:26 GMT -5
If you're not up for building a rifle, I'd strongly suggest a semi-custom from TVM (tennessee valley manufacturing). I can't complain much about T/C but for the same money or only a little more, you can get a real nice rifle and choose the rifling twist that fits you wants.
Me, I'd go .50 minimum and probably side more with a .54 and definitely not complain about a .58 I'm a roundball shooter and would definitely go with no faster than a 1:60 twist in a .54 or 1:66 in the .58 The slower the twist, the more fire you can put to a PRB before you start loosing accuracy. I know there are many who shoot low charges with great success but I like to have the extra reach for hunting. Bigger the ball, more the powder, harder the hit.
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Jan 7, 2007 7:29:21 GMT -5
Post by kanizer on Jan 7, 2007 7:29:21 GMT -5
;DI like the 45 seneca it's lite to carry and mine is extremely accurate out too 100 yds. with m.o.a. group's with t/c maxi and 60 grains of fffg. I have takin deer out too 150 yds. Bigger is better for the longer range shooting so the 54cal. with connical and 120 grains fffg will do a fine job with t/c hawken.If you want too go with extreme's Navy Arm's use to make 58 cal. magnum 26 in. barrel that is one & a quarter inch accros the flat's that will shoot a 610 gr. solid base maxi with up to 2oo grain's of fffg equivalent to 458 win. mag energy !!!
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Jan 7, 2007 8:16:41 GMT -5
Post by kb on Jan 7, 2007 8:16:41 GMT -5
Hi,
It all depends on your purpose.
T/C is good for general purpose round ball/conical. but there are better choises out there. If you are going to shoot roundball only, you want a nice slow twist in your rifling. The Lymans Great Plains Rifle has a 1 in 60, as opposed to the T/C which is a 1 in 48.
I have both the TC and the GPR, and the GPR is more accurate with roundball. Plus it is more historically accurate.
Both can have Green Mountain drop in barrels (IBS) with fast and slow twists, that will make them into tack drivers. More options, more confusion...
If you go flint, you will need a quality lock. That is the key to the system. With-out that you will lose interest real fast, and would have waisted time and money.
I like .54 caliber for deer hunting. Its bigger, and packs more punch. Whitetails dont go very far at all when a .54 caliber gets done with them.
For target I have a TC Cleland in .40 caliber. Very nice, but heavy.
Both the .45, .50 will do the job as well for both target and deer. I think that the .50 has more options as it is more popular, but I prefer the 54.
TC offers a pretty good warrenty (lifetime), but you pay for that up front. For a production rifle, Lymans GPR and TC Hawkin are good and dependable, but I stay away from some of the smaller companies (Traditions, CVA, ect). Although Im sure that they make fine rifles, there doesnt seem to be that much aftermarket 'faith' in them. They are offten refered to as throw-away guns. Cheap and disposable.
Check out a company called "Track of the Wolf" they have some BEAUTIFUL guns for sale. But their not cheap, as these are custom guns. If you read the write-ups and description about the style your interested in, you can learn allot.
Midsouth has the GPR the cheapest last time I looked, TC is more expensive, but you could find one used pretty easily. I actuallly picked up too many this way (need to get rid of some).
Good luck with you decision. If I can be of any help, feel free to ask.
Kb
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Jan 21, 2007 22:53:03 GMT -5
Post by Jake on Jan 21, 2007 22:53:03 GMT -5
Personally, I prefer the Lyman GPR over any of the commercially available guns, and I've had about all of them. Ofcourse, if you can afford something from TVM, or the Pedersoli Hawken, that might be a different story. I have a Jackie Brown Carolina in .45 which is an outstanding rifle, but I use the GPR .54 for deer hunting. I like the extra knock down power. JMHO Jake
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Feb 2, 2007 19:00:33 GMT -5
Post by Nimrod on Feb 2, 2007 19:00:33 GMT -5
I wonder where the TC 1/66 rb barrel on my Hawkens came from that I have it shoots rb real good with a life time warrenty also Nim
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Feb 3, 2007 8:11:20 GMT -5
Post by kb on Feb 3, 2007 8:11:20 GMT -5
I wonder where the TC 1/66 rb barrel on my Hawkens came from that I have it shoots rb real good with a life time warrenty also Nim Its probably a Pennsylvania gun. They used to be limited to rb and flints there.
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Feb 3, 2007 20:02:34 GMT -5
Post by whyohe on Feb 3, 2007 20:02:34 GMT -5
yes T/C made a pa hunter that was a 1:66 twist for RB. but pa now allows maxi balls and sabot for primative season.if you are allowed saboted bullet or maxi ball/powerbelt id go 1:48 or faster depending what you want or are allowed to use. RMC also makes some nice sidelocks W/greeenmoutain barrels at apx 600.00!!
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Mar 23, 2008 18:49:30 GMT -5
Post by kuderski4 on Mar 23, 2008 18:49:30 GMT -5
i need help finding info on a 22caliber turnet riffle hopefully you all can help find something on it it has the initals of R.M.A.C.
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Mar 29, 2008 16:08:16 GMT -5
Post by tg on Mar 29, 2008 16:08:16 GMT -5
I would take the next step and get a semi custom from TVM or one of several other makers, in a .50 bore with a twist for ball, and don't look back there are many styles you will have to choose what type you like and hopefull handle some of the different guns to see how the feel to you, these guns will run in the 800-1000 dolar range completed some may come in less Early Rustic Arms has good prices also, an "in the white" gun will be less money and you can do the finish yourself and save some bucks and put some of yourself into the gun.
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