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Post by Blue-Dot-37.5 on Oct 29, 2005 19:28:03 GMT -5
This year I have to shoot with the equipment that I have, and it's OLD! Bear Whitetail II, set @ 60#. Letoff is somewhere between 35 and 50%. I shot a BowTech Liberty and a Matthews Switchback the other week and I can't believe the difference! The bows sure have changed!!!  I learned to shoot the bow with a thumb operated release (when the bow was new  ). I recently changed the string and other accessories. I don't know where the old release went to, anyway, it wouldn't work with the aluminum loop that is the nocking point now. I have a TRU-BALL Tornado finger release, but after shooting the old thumb operated release for a number of years I can't seem to keep my arm stationary while triggering the release. I really like the type of release that straps over my wrist, but can't find any like that that are triggered with your thumb. Suggestions anybody? I punched it tonite and shot under a small doe - at 15 Yds.  Blue-Dot-37.5 |
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Post by a45gunslinger on Oct 29, 2005 20:02:18 GMT -5
Well, I think what you're reffering to is "target panic" and finding a cure isn't always easy. Without going through all the finer points of back tension here's some tips that might help you. Get set up in front of a target about 5 yds. draw your bow, get it lined up for the shot , and then close your eyes. Invision your pin on the target and squeeze the trigger..it dosen't really matter where the arrow hits as long as you concentrate on making a clean release. do this about a dozen times before you practice it'll help you make that clean release your looking for..one other thing don't set the tension of your trigger to light this will also cause "target panic" or punching the trigger..hope this helps, Kevin
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Post by edge on Nov 3, 2005 9:28:06 GMT -5
A few years ago I had a similar problem. The thumb motion and a trigger finger motion is very different and your finger muscles need to be trained. I found that I would almost drop the bow anticipating the release and miss the backstop by a mile!
IMO, watch tv or something that takes your mind off of the shooting.
Put the release on the string and pull back an inch or two or three NOT FULL DRAW ;D and trigger the release.
Don't pay attention to the trigger, just keep doing it and after a while load an arrow and do it for real, then go back and do it in front of the TV.
After a hundred mini-pulls your fingers will be trained and it will become second nature.
edge.
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Post by Blue-Dot-37.5 on Nov 3, 2005 20:17:07 GMT -5
Hey Guys, thanks for the tips. I took the easy way out to fix the problem. I took my Tornado release, machined off the lever, just leaving the shaft. I drilled/tapped (3-48) the center of the shaft and installed a lever that laid back flatter. I can use my thumb to press the release now. I shot a couple of dozen arrows over the past few days and not once did I "punch" the release. Edge, you are 100% correct about the different muscles.
Now if this wind would die down, the deer would start moving again.
Blue-Dot-37.5
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Post by tar12 on Oct 30, 2006 21:23:36 GMT -5
Scott, I shoot a Wynn Free Flight release.It gives you the sense of holding your favorite gun.Check them out.I absolutely love mine!
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Post by Rifleman on Nov 5, 2006 3:50:43 GMT -5
Maybe I am just lucky but not being a bow guy at all I shot my sons new switchback at the shop with a trigger release. I was shooting at 20 yds and hit all 10's and X's. That thing is just like shooting a rifle. The archery shop guy must have thought I was a liar when I told him I did not own a bow and shot them very little. My son was a little miffed that Pops could hit that well with out all the practice that he had put in. My point other then to Toot my own horn ( guess I just got a kick out of the whole thing) is that the release was just so similar to a rifle trigger and the sights were simply a peep sight except the front sight (pins) were sitting at a different angle. I would assume I would have not been so successful with a cheaper less forgiving bow. That switchback was so darn fast that it seemed like it had a lock time that was so quick that follow through was not all that critical. Also I had no problem with torqueing the bow, as I had asked Mark to show me proper grip before I shot.
Now here is a new ??
Who makes a decent sight. I spent alot of time looking at bow sights yesterday and IMO they are all junk. Not one had mechanical, repeatable clicks like on a rifle sight. The best available in a hunting sight required you to either loosen allens and slide the sight or else move the sight and mark an area then re- align a marker of some sort to return to the same sight setting. Not good. I mean why not make a sight that moves the arrow 1/4 in at 25 yds, someting that goes "click" and repeats itself just like a rifle sight or scope? Am I missing something here?
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Post by bubba on Nov 5, 2006 7:23:57 GMT -5
truglo fiber optic is nice, I doubt that you will find a clickable sight on the market for hunting. I even have a tritium powered fiber optic front for those tactical shots in low light  Edge: after a hundred mini-pulls your fingers will be trained and it will become second nature. In Michigan, we do other things while watching tv I guess..............  -bubba |
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Post by DBinNY on Nov 5, 2006 22:28:15 GMT -5
Rifleman, I'm sure you shot the bow so well because you are so experienced shooting rifles. The fundamentals are very similar. Get a good solid foundation, fit the weapon to yourself (not the other way around!), line things up and let it happen. Target panic is when you try to make it happen instead of just letting it happen. As for sites, any multiple pin fiber optic is a good choice. I have a 3 pin site that has a 25 (0-25) yard pin, a 35 and a 45. I never adjust the site after siting in, I simply aim with the appropriate pin depending on how long the shot is or bracket the target at inbetween ranges.
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Post by wilmsmeyer on Nov 8, 2006 20:54:04 GMT -5
Rifleman,
Glad to see you flinging arrows around. As for sights with standard adjustments that fit everyone....they don't and can't exist IMO. There are way too many variables applying to bows then there are to guns as relating to the sighting systems.
An example would be the gun/scope relationship: The gun has a bore axis and the scope has a sight axis. We line these planes up and intersect them. This process is consistent whether we have really short arms or really long arms. It's also consistent whether or not we shoot really light or really heavy bullets. Same with bullet speed.
Bows are much different IMO. Everyones sight radius is different so the angles of deviation as you change your sights will differ as draw length changes.
With this said, I find that there are many great sights available and as you get to know your bow, you'll get to know your sight as well and make it work just fine.
Bows, releases, arrows, etc have come a long way in the past 20 years. It's the most exciting weapon to master and consistently kill deer with. Especially really big smart deer.....like the ones my friend gets seemingly every year. You have to be possessed I guess.
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Post by a45gunslinger on Nov 9, 2006 8:06:45 GMT -5
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Post by Pocampo on Jan 13, 2007 8:23:53 GMT -5
Rman,
check out a Savage Quick Click Ranger. This is a good repeatable sight but isn't sold at most archery dealer/pro shops because of the price. You sight it in based on a chronograph reading at 3'and @ 20yds on the ground. You are now set to shoot point blank out to 70yds with just a click of the sight lever which can be set to repeat in 1,5 or 10yd increments. It is a somewhat bulky sight but well made of metal and not plastic. I have used one for several years and found it very reliable. It can be used with a single conventional pin or a pendulum sight. I am using a Savage pendulum sight with my Matthews setup and found it to work great. Have shot several deer in the last 20yrs with a pendulum sight and wouldn't go back to a conventional pin.
Only downfall I found was you could only use 4 of the 5 arrow slots on the Matthews attached quiver. One arrow had to be left out to accommodate the sight adjustment lever.
Pocampo
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). I recently changed the string and other accessories. I don't know where the old release went to, anyway, it wouldn't work with the aluminum loop that is the nocking point now. I have a TRU-BALL Tornado finger release, but after shooting the old thumb operated release for a number of years I can't seem to keep my arm stationary while triggering the release. I really like the type of release that straps over my wrist, but can't find any like that that are triggered with your thumb. Suggestions anybody? 
