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Post by E.T. on Dec 27, 2004 14:17:55 GMT -5
Would like to hear from others of their favorite powder and primer combination (not specific load) for a particular caliber.
Currently Varget with a non-magnum CCI primer has been performing well for me in .222, .223 and even in .308 caliber. Also it is advertised as having insensitivity to hot/cold temperatures. It sure was nice to find a powder that covered numerous calibers with excellent results and reduced the quantity of different makes or brands to keep on hand.
Ed T
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Post by RAF on Dec 27, 2004 16:59:07 GMT -5
I use winchester large rifle in everything I load. Buy them by the 1000. I use different powders for each caliber I load. IMR4895 for 30-06, 4350 in the 243 and H380 in my 22-250. My load of 4895 is giving 2950 FPS which is 40 over factory loads. Never cronyed the 243 and am getting just over 4000 in the 22-250
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Post by TKO on Dec 28, 2004 9:23:16 GMT -5
My most used powder is WC 844 (Mililtary pulled powder with a burn rate equivalent to H335)
Use it in the .223, .450 Marlin, .458 Lott
I use CCI primers.
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 28, 2004 12:02:09 GMT -5
TKO I have/use several of the surplus wc powders. This 844 , is it real fine? I ask cause the burn rate is right for the savage. Do you think it would work TKO?
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Post by JeffinNZ on Dec 28, 2004 15:33:29 GMT -5
By and large I burn WSR & WLR primers though I find that reduced loads for cast bullets in my .223 much prefer CCI primers.
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Post by E.T. on Dec 28, 2004 16:22:36 GMT -5
Hi JeffinNZ
I too am a fan of the .223 especially for jackrabbits (European Hare) also. Appreciate you joining in on this part of the Forum and would like to know your favorite powder for this caliber. Hopefully once a few more individuals join in it will be interesting to see what others use for their choice of bullets behind their loads on particular game.
Ed T
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Post by scott41069 on Dec 28, 2004 18:45:27 GMT -5
I have only used a handful of powders so far but have been pleased especially with IMR4350. Winchester large magnum primers have been my favorite so far.
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Post by TKO on Dec 28, 2004 22:49:43 GMT -5
TKO I have/use several of the surplus wc powders. This 844 , is it real fine? I ask cause the burn rate is right for the savage. Do you think it would work TKO? Rman, It's a little on the slow side but it falls between H322 and H4895 in burn rate (closer to H4895 than H322). Might work fine in the 10 ML's, but I would suspect that it would work best with 300 grains and up weights. I would check with RBinAR on this one. I use it for heavy bullets in the .450 and medium to heavy in the Lott. |
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Post by JeffinNZ on Dec 28, 2004 22:56:51 GMT -5
Hi Newkid.
I have always burnt W748 in my .223 with good results.
Of course I have nothing against other varieties of powder but this is what has worked well.
We get the ADI powders from Australia here which are great as ADI produce the Hodgdon extruded powders under contract. The ADI powders are sold as AR.... and are EXACTLY the same as the H.... powders but 60% of the cost!!!!! As a result, I burn AR2205 in my .32-20 and it is H4227. Likewise AR2219 is H332, AR2208 is Varget and so on.
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 28, 2004 23:03:44 GMT -5
I need to check my powder stock I may even have a 8lb jug of wc844. I would not be surprised.  |
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 28, 2004 23:07:47 GMT -5
I have used a lot of powders some commercial some surplus. Here are a few of my favorites.
IMR 4350 - 30-06, 25-06
H108- 44 mag with 180's
A2230- .223
700x- 12 gauge target
Greendot- 12 gauge field
Win 231 and HP38- 9mm,40 , and 45 acp
( hard to beat win 231 in 45 acp for an accuracy load)
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Post by E.T. on Dec 29, 2004 1:55:11 GMT -5
JeffinNZ Appreciate the reply on my query along with the introduction of how powders are designated in another part of the world. You obviously are more educated in this area and would like to learn how to cross-reference the Hodgon powder. If you have a suggestion how I could find this information I would be most grateful. Every Hand-loader has a particular favorite powder and load combination that works well in his firearm and I respect that. You will never hear me make a judgment on another individuals load for choice of components and if anything a query just to understand a reasoning or performance of a particular combination. I have been reloading for some number of years and still look forward to learning something new from others because I am far, far from knowing most of it. My reloading experience is only with rifles and shotguns for hunting purposes because pistols are not allowed for hunting in Ontario, Canada. I am qualified by my FAPC (Firearms Acquisition and Possession Certificate) to own and use pistols if I decide to take up the sport of pistol shooting. There are also some rifles that are chambered for pistol bullets but haven’t interested my fancy in this area yet. Rifleman – Glad you and TKO along with Scott41069 are joining in also. For my 300WSM I have started some testing with H-4350 and have been getting some decent groups that is until my discovery of this board and lately my focus has been on unlocking the potential of the Savage 10ML-II Muzzle-loader. But some time in 2005 will be devoted to getting back to this caliber to try to find that one sweet load for 180gr Nosler Partition Gold for my next available Moose Hunt. I look forward to moving into more details for reloading and comparing loads for particular calibers and shotshells with others here with thoughts that all will benefit from this in one form or another.  Ed T |
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Post by scott41069 on Dec 29, 2004 6:27:01 GMT -5
By the looks of the powders listed already i see that 4350 is a common choice for several and i would assume many others use it also. It was one of the last loads i worked up for my 300win mag and worked perfectly.
The last three shot group using it (69.5gr/@ Nosler 180gr BT's) produced a 3/8 group @120 yrds consistently.Since finishing off a few dozen rounds in early October that gun has taken 2 Antelopes and 4 Deer. I am anxious to try it in my 7Mag next.
I am getting ready to load for a new .223 also.I will keep the above mentioned powders in mind when i get start them up.
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Post by TKO on Dec 29, 2004 9:33:24 GMT -5
scott4169,
I use IMR4350 in a .257 Ackley Improved with great success.
Good luck!
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Post by TKO on Dec 29, 2004 9:36:07 GMT -5
I need to check my powder stock I may even have a 8lb jug of wc844. I would not be surprised. Rman, That's how I buy it, too. BULK. Last time I bought it was from Pat's Reloading in Ohio. I got eight pounds for $56. I am not sure what their prices are now, though. www.patsreloading.comJust checked . . . it's $72 for eight pounds, now. |
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 29, 2004 11:13:19 GMT -5
Yeah good ole Pat, always jacking his prices ;D
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Post by JeffinNZ on Dec 29, 2004 14:24:50 GMT -5
NEWKID: The powder comparison thing is interesting as not all of the companys that sell powder actually make it themselves. The best way to get a handle on some of the info. is to location the MSDS page for the powder company in question. If check the following link you will see what I mean. www.hodgdon.com/smokeless/msds-extruded.php#topYou will see it states that the powders are made by Mulwex/ADI in Australia and lists the other names that they are known by. Winchester are not so obliging but I know for a fact that their ball powders come from Primex as do the ball powders of Hodgdon. www.hodgdon.com/smokeless/msds-primex.php#topW296 and H110 are the same powder. W748 and H335 are the same as are W760 and H414. Hope this helps. |
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 29, 2004 15:31:48 GMT -5
JeffinNZ you got my attention now for sure. I never knew that w296 and h110 were one and the same. I always thought they could be but I guess I am wondering are they exactly the same powder? same coatings everything? Hope you don't mind me asking, but I am very intrigued.
I heard win 231 and hp38 are the same. Is that true? If it is , why is the data in the same manual different?
I would like to get to the bottom of this. Thanks in advance Jeff,
Rifleman
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Post by JeffinNZ on Dec 30, 2004 16:28:19 GMT -5
Hi RM.
Not sure about the 231 and HP38 as I don't shoot handguns but if HP38 is ball it will be made by Primex on behalf so probably is the same.
Re the W296 adn H110; if you check out data there is always very little between them (much like 748/335) and this is generally either down to batches or the writers slanting in their favour. It makes good sense for Hodgdon in their manual to show H110 being slightly better than W296 ah?
This subject should become even more intesting as Hodgdon have bought out IMR so no doubt will begin to source more extruded powders from Australia....maybe.
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 30, 2004 17:29:45 GMT -5
Jeff thanks for the answer, it was enlightening.
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acal
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Post by acal on Dec 31, 2004 6:47:56 GMT -5
I use:
.270 with 130gr. Sierra: 1/2" groups
H4350 and or H4831
22/250 with 55 gr. Sierra
H380 - 1/4" groups
4320
.41 Rem. Mag with Sierra, Hornady Bullets, or Cast Bullets (210 gr. jacketed, 220 gr. cast) Excellent groups.
2400, AA #9, Lil-Gun
Primer: Winchester in all rifle loads, CCI Mag in handgun loads. Especially with 2400 powder, it burns cleaner and gives better accuracy
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acal
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Post by acal on Dec 31, 2004 7:11:43 GMT -5
JeffinNZ and Rifleman,
I have used H110 (W296) and found it to be an excellent powder for the magnum class cartridges, but you soon learn that it is best to work with a magnum primer for consistency in ignition and accuracy; and that H110 comes with a warning that it is best to work with a full case charge, if not a slightly compressed charge. Otherwise it can lead to erratic ignition/pressure and other attending problems.
TEXTRead the data from Hodgdon and they specifically warn not to reduce H110 charges no more than 3 per cent due to erratic ignition and they also indicate a possibility of lodging a bullet in the barrel.
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Post by JeffinNZ on Dec 31, 2004 17:43:08 GMT -5
ACAL: Good point. I used W296 exclusively in my hornet before it went west to fund the .223 and was always aware of the reduced load threat. I shoot a lot of cast bullets and have seen data furnished for GREATLY reduced loads of H110/W296 and very large volume cases and believe this practice to be MOST unwise  |
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Post by DaveK on Dec 31, 2004 17:58:32 GMT -5
Jeff, you are a wise one! What are you using in the Hornet now? I have been using Hodgdon's "Lil Gun" and Sierra 40gr. Blitzking's with very good results. |
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Post by JeffinNZ on Jan 4, 2005 15:50:11 GMT -5
DaveK. Sold the Hornet a few years back when I ungraded to the Rem 700 .223.
I was running W296 with 40-45gr bullets at around 2700fps.
Lil gun is too expensive here for my tight pockets.
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DaveK
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Post by DaveK on Jan 4, 2005 19:05:50 GMT -5
I have a Rem. 722 in 222 and for some strange reason saw one of those Browning 1885's in 22 Hornet and had to have that also. It took a little load work, but with that Lil' Gun set at 13 gr. and CCI BR4 primers, I am consistantly in the .180-.200 5 shot 100yd. grps. I am VERY impressed with the gun and it sure is a purty thing. The 222 loves Sierra 50gr. Blitz #1340 and using 20.4gr. of IMR 4198 along with the CCI BR4 primers. It will shot the same grps. as the Hornet. I have the action glass bedded and floated into a pretty 700 BDL stock I found.
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Post by TKO on Jan 5, 2005 8:18:22 GMT -5
DaveK,
My .257 Ackley Improved is a Remington 722.
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