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Dec 14, 2008 21:51:31 GMT -5
Post by hubcap52 on Dec 14, 2008 21:51:31 GMT -5
New to this forum. Rather new to ML'ing. Got a Savage 'cuz I'm too lazy for BP. Got my first whitetail with it this year. Anyway I've got some ?'s
1. Has anyone used the Hornady FPB's with smokeless? If so, please give details.
2. I've seen some info on the 'net about duplex loads. Anyone here tried them? Again, details would be appreciated.
Looking forward to your wisdom and friendship.
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Newbie
Dec 14, 2008 22:39:17 GMT -5
Post by chuck41 on Dec 14, 2008 22:39:17 GMT -5
Congratulations on that first Savaged whitetail and welcome to the board. Lots of initial questions are covered in the "Tips and Hints" section at the top of the initial page of the Savage Muzzleloading Message board. Within that you will find this discussion of powders, including some about duplex. See "N110 vs Duplex N110/H322=": dougva.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Savage&action=display&thread=3372I use Hornady XTPs most of the time, never tried a FPB. Duplex is a method of using a small amount of an easily ignited faster burning powder to get slower burning powders to burn reliably. Lots of folks find them great to get more velocity and accuracy without blowing sabots or having unreliable loads, but with a bit more complicated loading. If you can get what you want with the straight book loads, that is simpler and some folks say safer. There are lots of posts talking about them here on the board. I use them with my .40 regularly to insure reliable ignition with slower powders, but my loads would have little meaning for your gun. I will let others cover that. You can find lots of information about most any single word question like "duplex" by using the "search" feature on the opening screen. You will find it just to the right of the "Jump to page" at the top of the list of posts. Welcome again to the board and the world of other muzzleloaders that are "too lazy for BP." Be looking to hear from you here in the future. Chuck
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Dec 15, 2008 0:21:21 GMT -5
Post by DW on Dec 15, 2008 0:21:21 GMT -5
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Dec 15, 2008 11:21:56 GMT -5
Post by onecardchuck on Dec 15, 2008 11:21:56 GMT -5
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Dec 15, 2008 11:52:45 GMT -5
Post by Harley on Dec 15, 2008 11:52:45 GMT -5
This thread is an example of what makes this forum great: A newbie question followed by three very thoughtful answers complete with referenced links.
Harley
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Dec 15, 2008 12:09:12 GMT -5
Post by shoot2reload on Dec 15, 2008 12:09:12 GMT -5
Here's another newbie question about duplex: are the powders actually layered? Is it enough just to have them mixed together, or must the faster burning powder be poured in closest to the primer?
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Dec 15, 2008 12:29:54 GMT -5
Post by edge on Dec 15, 2008 12:29:54 GMT -5
Here's another newbie question about duplex: are the powders actually layered? Is it enough just to have them mixed together, or must the faster burning powder be poured in closest to the primer? I have shot layered and mixed, and the layered has been a bit more accurate, and if you are concerned about ignition, it will probably be more reliable. One thing about mixing is that it takes quite a bit of rolling around and flipping over a small container to actually do a thorough job. If you take a normal vial that most of us use and fill it 3/4 full it will take at least a full minute of shaking and flipping and rolling to see a homogeneous mixture. I do admit that I have NOT taken a great deal of time in working up mixed loads since I do not find two containers to be that bad. I usually take the two containers and have one cap facing one way and the second facing the opposite direction. Then I tape them together with Scotch tape ( clear tape ). It is easy to tell which one has 20 grains and which one has 55 grains edge.
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Dec 15, 2008 14:15:10 GMT -5
Post by DW on Dec 15, 2008 14:15:10 GMT -5
I tried mixing once, accuracy is comparable to the stacked or layered method of pouring in the booster first followed by the primary, at 100yds. At 200yds the mixed method was more than twice the group size larger than the stacked method.
I did the same as Edge with the vials this year, works very nice.
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Newbie
Dec 24, 2008 13:53:56 GMT -5
Post by hubcap52 on Dec 24, 2008 13:53:56 GMT -5
Wow. I'm impressed with y'all's wisdom and willingness to help out a newbie. I got the savage 'cuz I'm too lazy for BP. I use it for longer shots and a handgun for the closer stuff. Thx again for the help and info. When i figure out how to upload a pix, i've got an idea to share w/the group for priming.
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Dec 25, 2008 1:54:09 GMT -5
Post by iowamuzzleloader on Dec 25, 2008 1:54:09 GMT -5
Got a Savage 'cuz I'm too lazy for BP.quote] That's as good of a reason as any. Before I got the Savage, I chose not to take many deer (does) because not only would I have to deal with the deer, but also completely clean the BP gun. Now I've eliminated the cleaning with the Savage. My famous quote "My laziness is a primary motivator" if that makes any sense to you. I say keep up the laziness!
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