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Post by mamaflinter on Oct 21, 2004 9:55:15 GMT -5
the pastor couldn't make it. He had to go travelling quite a ways for his job and couldn't make the service.
So we had a testimonial and the youth pastor helped out with a service.
One thing he mentioned went a step further from Sunday service was how we must suffer. God is testing our faith to ensure we will call on him when times get rough.
I can't remember the scripture reference, but the scripture said in essence that we must suffer and greatness will follow.
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Post by Rifleman on Oct 21, 2004 12:10:18 GMT -5
Interesting topic, would kinda like to know the scripture reference. Thanks Rman
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Post by mamaflinter on Oct 21, 2004 13:22:32 GMT -5
I'll see if a friend of mine caught it and try to get it to you.
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Post by Jackson on Oct 23, 2004 7:41:23 GMT -5
I'm not suffering at all. What does that mean. Am I destined for hell?
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Post by Rifleman on Oct 23, 2004 14:44:29 GMT -5
Like you really are concerned?
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Post by mamaflinter on Oct 23, 2004 21:24:57 GMT -5
Jackson you won't suffer every day. But life's trials are what we are referring to. The things you have to make decisions about. God will throw things in your path to test your faith to see if you will seek him out when needed.
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Post by Rifleman on Oct 24, 2004 0:55:51 GMT -5
Mama I would delete that post by jackson, it was obviously a question meant to ridicule. Just a troll lurking the board.
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Post by Fatdutchman on Oct 24, 2004 17:53:11 GMT -5
Ridicule...why there's part of that suffering! I would invite Jackson to stick around. While we should never think that we, as Christians, are able to convince anyone of the Gospel, we are enjoined to present the Gospel. God is the one who convinces. The thing with suffering is this: if you are doing the will of God, you will suffer. The problem is, that many, if not most, Christians are not really doing the will of God!!! I can CERTAINLY not exclude myself here. Are we really sharing our faith? Are we really standing up for righteousness? Are we really avoiding the sinful things the rest of the world is involved in? For the most part, the answer is "no". If we were to do these things as God commands, we will face ridicule, and other less painful sufferings, but we will also face fines, imprisonment, torture and death. It has been the way of faith for a long time. It happens every day and is beginning to happen even here in America! Now, I need to go and take a spoonful of my own medicine!  |
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Post by mamaflinter on Oct 24, 2004 21:57:55 GMT -5
Yep I told Rifleman that I wouldn't delete the post. It is my feeling that Jackson might just need to be witnessed to.
It is the job of everyone who claims to be a Christian to share God's word whenever they can.
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Post by Rifleman on Oct 25, 2004 1:05:29 GMT -5
I also recall something about true seekers versus mockers.
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Post by Fatdutchman on Oct 25, 2004 17:21:11 GMT -5
Most certainly, but I can't tell the true intent of Jackson from just this one post, though I admit, it rings of mockery. This may or may not have been his intent (I said "his"...are you a "he" or a "she"?). Always to give the benefit of the doubt.  Mockers? Bring them on, for they do not mock us, but rather our Lord, who shall not be mocked. |
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Post by Fatdutchman on Oct 25, 2004 17:27:37 GMT -5
Oh yes, the particular passage that pastor was PROBABLY referring to was 2nd Timothy 3: 4.
"Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution..."
There are many others.
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Post by sixshooter on Nov 22, 2004 21:35:29 GMT -5
I just became a member of this forum but have been a Christain for awhile Yes we will suffer perscution but God does send it to us.If your son asks for a loaf of bread will you give him a scorpion no. The enemy comes to kill steal and destroy so if it is killing stealing or destroying it is not from God. Yes we are going to have trials but we are not live in them but we are more than conqurers thur Christ Jesus
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Post by Kudzu on Dec 16, 2004 19:08:20 GMT -5
Remember a person saying one time that the devil didn't never bother him. No Need To Shoot A Dead Rabbit.
When things get tough, just remember - God promised that he wouldn't put more on you than you could carry.
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Post by Rifleman on Dec 17, 2004 5:56:46 GMT -5
Dancoman wrote,
"When things get tough, just remember - God promised that he wouldn't put more on you than you could carry. "
You know I have heard that alot, but I have not ever found that in the Bible. Were does God make that promise?
I mean if God will not put more on you then you can carry, then how are you supposed to learn to trust?
What is He supposed to carry?
The Just walk by faith, not sight........
I would be very interested if some one could show me scripture than teaches God will never put more on us then we can carry or bear.
I believe He certainly will, so we will allow Him to bear it.
Which brings up a really good point. Are you able to bear your sin?
I don't think so, that is a load only Jesus can handle.
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Post by Kudzu on Dec 17, 2004 17:20:15 GMT -5
RM, I believe what God meant was that as fleshly beings he would not put more on us than be could bare.
We as believers know that we can't bare our own sins, just one of the joys of knowing Jesus as our Lord and Savior. Knowing that he will bare them for us. Can't find the scripure right off that I'm looking for, but will post soon.
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Post by shootersix on Feb 10, 2005 22:43:40 GMT -5
Rifleman the scripture that you are looking for is 1Cor 10:13 NIV Has it this way No temptaion has seized you but what is common to man. And God is faithful; He willnot let you be tempted beyound what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will will also prvide you a way out so that you can stand up under it
This goes along with Jas 1:13 That says , When tempted, no one should say that "God is tempting me". For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone. but each one is tempted by his own evil desire Remember that Jesus said " The enemy comes to Kill, steal and destroy, and I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. NIV Jn 10:10
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Post by Rifleman on Feb 11, 2005 22:59:01 GMT -5
I am sorry but I must respectfully say I only recognize the KJV as the scripture in the english language.
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Post by shootersix on Feb 12, 2005 21:51:17 GMT -5
OK. That is ok with me but I thought you were asking about scripture and it is the same in the NIV or the KING JAMES
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Post by Rifleman on Feb 13, 2005 2:32:52 GMT -5
Actually it is not,you will find many key word changes between the two and the NIV has over 60 verses missing. Also many missing words, compare John 3:16. the NIV leaves out the word "begotten" this may seem like no big deal,but the word "begotten" refers to the virgin birth. If Christ was not born of a virgin, then he was not God, nor sinless. Therefore His death and the shedding of His blood would not have been suitable payment for sin. Therefore there would be no salvation. You will find this pattern over and over again in the NIV,where the deity of Christ is attacked.
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Post by Douglas Blair on Feb 13, 2005 8:48:21 GMT -5
I am sorry but I must respectfully say I only recognize the KJV as the scripture in the english language. I agree Rifleman. The NEV is someone's interpretation as to what the Bible means, and I think some of the scriptures in the NEV are wrong. I didn't know some of the Bible was left out in the NEV though. |
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Post by Rifleman on Feb 13, 2005 16:36:35 GMT -5
It makes an interesting study Doug, it is noteworthy that less then 1% of the available manuscripts are the basis for most of the newer translations. These were not discovered until the latter half of the 19th century, namely the Codex Sinaticus and Codex Vaticanus, it is noteworthy as well to find out the second was found in the Vatican, who are not known for their respect of scripture.Two British textual critics,Westcott and Hort were the champions of these newly discovered texts. They represented a branch of the Church of England which was enamored with the Roman Cathoilic church,occult spiritism and German Rationalism otherwise known as modernism. The theology of Westcott and Hort as evidenced by their writings could be called liberal,humanistic,sacremental and they even have occult overtones. These two scoundrels collated and edited the two manuscripts afore mentioned into one Greek text of the New Testament. This "new" greek text was in contrast with and in distinction to the text which had been received and accepted by virtually all Bible believing churches for the proceeding 19 centuries.It represents less then 1 percent of all existing manuscripts. From this corrupt text have come almost all modern translations and versions of the Bible in English. It is not the same,nor from the same roots as the KJV.
These modern perversions of the word of God have diluted reference to the Blood of Christ (Romans 3:25,Colossians 1:14,Rev. 1:5) the Deity of Christ (John 3:16,Jude 4,Rev.1:11) inspiration of the scriptures(II Tim. 3:16) and salvation by faith(John 3:36)
There are literally thousands of textual changes.
I believe I will stick with the KJV ;D
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Post by mamaflinter on Feb 13, 2005 20:48:35 GMT -5
What is the difference in KJV & New KJV?
That is fascinating about the different translations. I've got to take another Humanities and was thinking of "religions of the world". Sounds interesting.
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Post by Rifleman on Feb 13, 2005 22:50:25 GMT -5
I will have to do a little bookward to give you a good answer on that one Mama, however if I recall there are critical word changes in the New KJV that are unacceptable as well. As far as a college class I would consider a class on apologetics, which is essentially a class on how to explain what we believe and why. It is a good idea for anyone who wants to further their understanding of the Christian faith.
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Post by mamaflinter on Feb 14, 2005 8:12:37 GMT -5
Well the thing is the only religion class offered is the Religions of the World. I figure it will be much more interesting than the Art Appreciation and Music Appreciation............Gotta get that last Humanities out of the way. LOL
After this semester, I'm 9 classes away from graduating and transferring to ODU!
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Post by Rifleman on Feb 14, 2005 13:23:22 GMT -5
Congrats on your upcoming degree. Music appreciation is not a bad class however as music is intertwined with religous expression down through history and any good class on the subject should delve into this.
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Post by shootersix on Feb 14, 2005 20:53:47 GMT -5
I just thought rifleman was looking for a scripture I dont profess to read Greek or Hebrew so I can,t tell you what is the best version. I was just trying to give rifleman a scriture that he had asked for on the first page of this forum. But it does seem to me that if you are only going to use the KING JAMES version that it should be the 1611 version with all the orginal words. I myself find that because the Greek or Herbrew does not translate directly to english that the amplifed version convays the truest meaning of what the Greek and Hebrew writers wrote
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Post by Niv on Feb 22, 2005 19:03:12 GMT -5
Rifleman
I believe the answer to your question is that it isn't a sin but a temptation that God allows to come our way. Christ is our way out of these temptations. Only with His help are we able to withstand them. The scripture that shootersix gave you was the correct one (1Cor.10:13).
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Post by Rifleman on Feb 22, 2005 22:52:09 GMT -5
The verse is dealing with temptation to sin, that is a given. However the original question was in reference to trials. At least that is how I took it. However you will find there is only one correct response to both. Now think about that. Selah. |
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Post by ozark on May 14, 2006 22:29:59 GMT -5
To each his own beliefs and understandings. I doubt that Jackson was cruel or intentionally wanting to hurt anyone. Just because everyone doesn't believe the same or read the same book doesn't mean they are bad. America is a strong supporter of Israel which is the home of the Jewish people. The Jews are not believers in Jesus Christ and are still waiting for what Christians believe has already come and lived on earth. That question could be answered with one question if He came to earth. Have you been here before? We live today in a world of people of differing religions and like always many are ready to give their lives for what they believe. The 9-11 attack was done by strong believers. Personally, I think it is better to take no stand at all unless you are absolutely sure that it agrees with facts. In the end only what is fact matters. What we believe and what we actually know may not be the same. My intent here is not to knock any one religion but to point out that what we believe can be right on the money or absolutely wrong. Please take note that I have not mentioned what I believe about Jesus Christ or which book of many religious books I think is closest to correct. What I think is only important if it agrees with the Will of Our Creator. I am sure that I am not wise enough to know the difference. I see God as wise beyond anything we can imagine. It is beyond my knowledge to tell you what is right for you or Jackson. If America goes to a war to protect Israel many Christian believers will die in defense of a special land set aside for those that believe that the Christ is yet to come to earth. Delete this if you are of a mind to do so. Deleting it will not alter facts in any shape, form or fashion. I did not mean to preach here.
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